Simple question about dynasties and PU's as Poland

[Fervent Inquisitor]

Hi,


I'm somehow new to the game (only 70 hours) and I read that Poland can form many PUs because somehow they change their dynasty into the dynasties they are married with (I guess one at a time though). I was hoping to get into this mechanic to form PU's through the casus belli claim throne, but so far I haven't been able to do so.

It seems like my dynasty is either non existing or never changing, as I can't really check which one is it.

Possibly I don't quite get the mechanics behind, so here is some info:

I accepted Lituania's Jagellion in the beginning of the game, and later formed the polish-lituanian country through a decision available por Poland. I seem to have a normal monarchy, on which I have a ruler, a heir, and the heir becomes king only after the current rules dies.

So, what is going on? What I am missing?


thanks in advance

 

[st360]

A few months after the game starts, Poland gets Lithuania in a personal union and a special government that switches dinasties. Its possible you played for so long that you took some decision that abolished it. What year are you currently in?

 

[Battlex]

Hi,


I'm somehow new to the game (only 70 hours) and I read that Poland can form many PUs because somehow they change their dynasty into the dynasties they are married with (I guess one at a time though). I was hoping to get into this mechanic to form PU's through the casus belli claim throne, but so far I haven't been able to do so.

It seems like my dynasty is either non existing or never changing, as I can't really check which one is it.

Possibly I don't quite get the mechanics behind, so here is some info:

I accepted Lituania's Jagellion in the beginning of the game, and later formed the polish-lituanian country through a decision available por Poland. I seem to have a normal monarchy, on which I have a ruler, a heir, and the heir becomes king only after the current rules dies.

So, what is going on? What I am missing?


thanks in advance

If you look on government reforms tab, is there a tier 1 option for elective monarchy?

 

[Fervent Inquisitor]

Ok, my fault I didn't provide enough info on the current state of affairs:

1) upon starting the game I got the event on which Lituania provides a Jagellion for Poland, and then becomes a partner (I play in Spanish and I'm not sure about the translation; it's not exactly a vassal, but a minor partner). I think its what st360 refers as the event on which the PU is produced.

2) my Tier 1 option on government reforms is indeed elective monarchy

3) the year is 1605

4) I still have every monarch as whatever-whatever-name Jagiellon

5) I currently have marriages with many countries: France, Bosnia, Georgia, Transilvania and Glogow, and yet I cannot claim any of those, in the cases that the heir has a weak claim to throne. This is the case of Transilvania, and the game tells me I haven't the same dynasty as they do.

 

[Guibou]

I haven't played poland in a long time but the other countries need to build up points to put their heir on your throne. If you keep getting Jagiellon there might be something wrong. I think you get a red alert when another dinasty is about to win, so if you do the things to get rid of that it will never happen.

Once you have a De Valois from france on throne for exemple, you need to check with France if they get a weak (or not at all) heir. Then you can claim throne. Both nation must have the same familly name. It's the same PU mechanic that any nation, it's just that it's easier to change your own dinasty as Poland to target other nation.

 

[Fervent Inquisitor]

Well, that seems interesting because I have never seen or read anything like it in the game. So far I think I had 150 years of Jagellions, so no idea of how this point system to put heirs in throne might work.

 

[holyvigil]

You need the same dynasty. Let other countries put their candidate on the Polish throne.

 

[Battlex]

Well, that seems interesting because I have never seen or read anything like it in the game. So far I think I had 150 years of Jagellions, so no idea of how this point system to put heirs in throne might work.

Improve relations with only a few tags to increase chances of them getting enough points to be elected, hover over the heir to see what possible heirs you could get instead and how close they are to winning election, also don't boost your heirs claim strength to help get others elected

 

[Cancerofthehead]

I have read that if you have four nobility priveleges before adoring the elective monarchy you don’t get the elective monarchy any more. I haven’t played Poland in 1.30 so I don’t know, but I believe it was posted in the thread about the 1.30.4 beta.

 

[Battlex]

I have read that if you have four nobility priveleges before adoring the elective monarchy you don’t get the elective monarchy any more. I haven’t played Poland in 1.30 so I don’t know, but I believe it was posted in the thread about the 1.30.4 beta.

Sure you don't mean the golden nobility privleige?

 

[redshirt4life]

Since 1.30 Poland gets a bonus to electing their own leader through their estate bonuses. Early game this will make it very difficult for a foreign estate to take over. On the other hand foreign rulers are normally very bad rulers.

Once you hit mid-game powerful countries will finally be able to devote power towards putting their dynasty on the throne. Getting a shared dynasty on just one powerful country is an incredible advantage.

@OP You are not going to just get your dynasty spreading around like wildfire. PUs take work. They have no limitations on gains due to aggressive expansion and war limit, so their rarity is not indicative of their power.

I'd recommend going diplomatic and taking the strong duchies estate bonus (you must pick this early before your noble estate is maxed out with polish penalties.) Send your army of Polish women out to marry every ruler without a heir and break off when they get an heir. Make sure your army of diplomats are constantly out improving relations with everyone possible.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Also, I'm fairly sure the "other nations support heirs for your throne" thing is a dlc-feature. Maybe you don't have that dlc.

 

[Battlex]

Since 1.30 Poland gets a bonus to electing their own leader through their estate bonuses. Early game this will make it very difficult for a foreign estate to take over. On the other hand foreign rulers are normally very bad rulers.

Once you hit mid-game powerful countries will finally be able to devote power towards putting their dynasty on the throne. Getting a shared dynasty on just one powerful country is an incredible advantage.

@OP You are not going to just get your dynasty spreading around like wildfire. PUs take work. They have no limitations on gains due to aggressive expansion and war limit, so their rarity is not indicative of their power.

I'd recommend going diplomatic and taking the strong duchies estate bonus (you must pick this early before your noble estate is maxed out with polish penalties.) Send your army of Polish women out to marry every ruler without a heir and break off when they get an heir. Make sure your army of diplomats are constantly out improving relations with everyone possible.

PUs didn't tend to take work as Poland before, because you could easily get a new dynasty with each ruler and swap that way. As traditional monarchies you can always just disinherit heirs if you wanna be fast, as well as use Queen regents dynasty for PUs