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Was it Christian solidarity that brought aid to the Hapsburgs when the jannisarries came knocking or was it rather political impulses, and fear of the Turks, covered under the barrier of crusade that brought together this move? And how did the Turks emerge from a period of civil strife and sultan-killers (so the EU manual says), to launch a renewed jihad against Christian Europe?
 

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Don't know about Christian solidarity but

if you ask how the Ottomans managed to emerge from the mess of c1580 (death of Grand Vizier Mehmet Sokullu) to c1650, it was quite straightforward.

Mehmet IV came to the throne in 1648 (aged 7); his mother was a strong-willed woman, Turhan Sultana.

His grandmother was the wicked witch of the East, Kösem Sultana, who had ruled through the reigns of 4 sultans (essentially bumping them off when they got too uppity). Fortunately, Turhan arranged her demise in 1651.

(This would make a good I, Claudius-type series, I guess).

Turhan was OK, but no rocket scientist. In 1656, Mehmet Köprülü became Grand Vizier, on the condition that he would enjoy absolute power. The fun-loving Mehmet IV agreed. Until his death in 1661 Mehmet Köprülü instituted a reign of terror that seemed to restore central authority. In 1661, his son, Fazýl Ahmed Köprülü became G.V., and he was a better administrator, restoring balances and reforming the army and navy. In 1676 he died, and another Köprülü, Merzifonlu Kara Ahmet, became G.V. He too was a very good administrator.

But then came the siege of Vienna. Both the G.V. and the Sultan were murdered.

And the Ottomans began their long and increasingly ugly decline.
 

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Political impulses, and fear of the Turks. Emphasis on a fear of the Turks.

There was once a Luthren prayer which children would say every night before bed. It ended "...And God, save us from the Turks."

That just about says it all.
 

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Yeah, fear,

though I think that old Luther really would not have minded if the Turks had taken Rome and captured the Pope.

E.g.:

From the Letter of Martin Luther to Pope Leo X

"...Is it not true that there is nothing under the vast heavens more corrupt, more pestilential, more hateful, than the Court of Rome? She incomparably surpasses the impiety of the Turks, so that in very truth she, who was formerly the gate of heaven, is now a sort of open mouth of hell, and such a mouth as, under the urgent wrath of God, cannot be blocked up; one course alone being left to us wretched men: to call back and save some few, if we can, from that Roman gulf..." etc etc.
 

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How true

There is a lot of interesting scholarship on how the Northern European Protestants at this time viewed the Pope as the Anti-Christ and the Turks as his army of darkness. Somehow they could rationalize the two being in concert with each other.

This worldview is of course complete rubbish. But it says a lot about how people at the time viewed the world in which they lived.

Bernard Lewis' book, "Islam and the West" is quite insightful on this matter.
 

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Re: How true

Originally posted by Petrus
There is a lot of interesting scholarship on how the Northern European Protestants at this time viewed the Pope as the Anti-Christ and the Turks as his army of darkness. Somehow they could rationalize the two being in concert with each other.

This worldview is of course complete rubbish. But it says a lot about how people at the time viewed the world in which they lived.

Bernard Lewis' book, "Islam and the West" is quite insightful on this matter.
To support the above statement
In holland the rebels (around 1560) even had banners with the statement "Liever Turks dan paaps" which means rather be turkish then catholic.