Shouldn’t the Reinaissance spawn or be present in Firenze?

[Jujus Potacke]

Portugal has colonies. And trade centres.

It's just a looooong way from everyone who isn't in Iberia, and Colonialism has really stringent conditions for spreading.

Well yes, but it makes sense, doesn't it.
Institutions shouldn't be casually adopted by everyone at the same time.

 

[Steel_atlas]

Yes, but that outcome is hilarious where spawning it in the British Isles or one of the less convenient Portuguese provinces is just annoying.

I do think instiutions should spread quicker inside Europe and slower outside.

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

The idea that the Renaissance was caused by the fall of Constantinople has largely been abandoned by historians as clearly false.

Byzantine influence on Italian scholarship and art well predates the fall of Constantinople. This various wars (especially the sacking of Constantinople in 1204) and other factors triggered waves of migration to Italy for centuries.

Also, the Renaissance was not something that just appeared, it developed over centuries and various Greek scholars and artists played a major role over that time. The fifteenth century was just when it emerged as a major force.

Yeah I know; but it's a computer game - I thought it'd be a nice nod to have it appear in X rather than Y if the player is good a the game.

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

I do think instiutions should spread quicker inside Europe and slower outside.

Europe already has higher development density than the ROTW, Institutions already spread faster than other continents.

 

[Tavald]

Now with the Catholic Papal Bull that spread colonialism with cardinals, spawning it in east asia don´t affect europe much.

 

[The Havoc]

The idea that the Renaissance was caused by the fall of Constantinople has largely been abandoned by historians as clearly false.

Byzantine influence on Italian scholarship and art well predates the fall of Constantinople. This various wars (especially the sacking of Constantinople in 1204) and other factors triggered waves of migration to Italy for centuries.

Also, the Renaissance was not something that just appeared, it developed over centuries and various Greek scholars and artists played a major role over that time. The fifteenth century was just when it emerged as a major force.

I disagree with your last paragraph. The Renaissance appears in Firenze in the early 1400s as a sort of protest against the “barbarians in the north” (the HRE). Originally it was exclusive from Firenze, even though the movement ended up being attractive to other italian city states after 40-50 years. Nor did greek scholars have a part in it neither did it develop over centuries

 

[Atlanteax]

It may be nice to have a toggle option for historical institutions spawns.

 

[hegel68]

The Renaissance appears in Firenze in the early 1400s as a sort of protest against the “barbarians in the north” (the HRE).

Now, that's quite a simplification. There were so many factors that contributed to the emergence of the Renaissance, like Italian city-state culture with its republican governments and strong orientation towards trade and commerce, strong Greek influence over about 150 years, the Black Death, and above all: the discovery of Neoplatonism (as opposed to the standard Aristotelism of the medieval universities).
Of course, there was also a kind of Italian proto-nationalism against the Germanic "barbarians", that had destroyed the Roman Empire in the West, but that's just one factor among many and not even the first and foremost one.
For example, Mantua under the Gonzaga, Siena, Urbino or Ferrara under the d'Este were also early centres of the Renaissance (and not just 40-50 years later) and they had been staunchly Ghibelline cities for a long time.

 

[Steel_atlas]

It may be nice to have a toggle option for historical institutions spawns.

Yes.

I wish in general there was a historical option like in ck2 2.

Historical locations for instiutions, not allow institutions to be dev pushed, historical decisions are always chosen.