Shouldn't the Auriel religion be called the Aldmeri Pantheon or something?

[Gurluas]

You could always ignore the ESO Khajit lore. And by Feral I mean...Feral. The Senche cannot speak, and since other races can go feral too, I don't see why the Senches in that region couldn't. About the Mane...I agree that they may have messed up.
As for the slavery, that is incorrect. When the Pact was formed, The Tribunal made the Dunmer release the Argonian slaves, so they took Khajit slaves instead. (And other races, such as Goblins)
The bad blood between them is constantly referenced, and Blackmarsh is full of illegal slavers capturing Argonians, and there are several quests with vengeful Argonians trying to murder former Dunmeri slavers.

The Xanmeer are the old Argonian ruins from the time when their civilization was more advanced.

In fact you meet some of the advanced Argonians who built those structures later on.

 

[Orinsul]

Alot of that stuff is too breaking the suspension of disbelief to worry about. The ES universe has established rules, where ESO breaks them there's no need to try and hammer them into the mod's setting and break it too.

ESO does what it needs to do for the type of game it is. CK2 isn't that type of game, and doesn't need hordes of faceless mooks to kill so the changes to the races to allow for that type of enemy or to allow for faction-based co-operative MMO game play would not benefit the mod, only reduce it.

 

[Novacat]

You could always ignore the ESO Khajit lore. And by Feral I mean...Feral. The Senche cannot speak, and since other races can go feral too, I don't see why the Senches in that region couldn't. About the Mane...I agree that they may have messed up.
As for the slavery, that is incorrect. When the Pact was formed, The Tribunal made the Dunmer release the Argonian slaves, so they took Khajit slaves instead. (And other races, such as Goblins)
The bad blood between them is constantly referenced, and Blackmarsh is full of illegal slavers capturing Argonians, and there are several quests with vengeful Argonians trying to murder former Dunmeri slavers.

Feral =/= Mute, and so far the only confirmed mute Khajiit subspecies is alfiq.

As for slavery... thats interesting, considering I remember talking to someone who plays in Ebonheart pact and they mentioned that the Dunmer freed all slaves, not just the Argonian ones.

 

[Gurluas]

Feral =/= Mute, and so far the only confirmed mute Khajiit subspecies is alfiq.

As for slavery... thats interesting, considering I remember talking to someone who plays in Ebonheart pact and they mentioned that the Dunmer freed all slaves, not just the Argonian ones.

Oh...I assumed Senches were mute but capable of understanding sentient language. Maybe nobody taught the ferals how to speak and they formed their own culture and own sounds in the wilds separate from the rest of the Khajit culture? I hope Zenimax solves at least some of these issues when the rest of Elsweyr is released.

And nope, theres a lot of Khajit slaves, especially in Stonefalls.

 

[Lysistrata]

At any rate, if nothing else, I do hope the EK team ends up using ESO as a resource for the rulers at the time as a bare minimum - e.g. Leovic, Durcorach, Estre, Varen, the Tharns, the Alliances (or if not, their composite kingdoms at the VERY least, e.g. Ayrenn and Camoran Aeradan should be in, even if the Dominion isn't), etc. should all be included.

 

[Gurluas]

Indeed, same for the Provinces and settlement names.

 

[Lysistrata]

Indeed, same for the Provinces and settlement names.

I'm pretty sure even before ESO was released, in EK, Betony is called Betnikh when held by Orcs.

 

[Jakalak]

Lore changes. AFAIK, there were significant changes in Cyrodiil between Morrowind and Oblivion. Evidently, the same applies to Elsweyr in ESO.

And hell, the distinction between Anequinian and Pellitinian Khajiit (or any of the subspecies, pretty much, really) has never been made in games before, so what's so special about ESO?

probably a stupid question, but why do you care so much? is it just that you want to 'win'?

every time someone comes in here and says 'ESO lore isn't really wrong!' and then people list multiple reasons why, in fact, it is vastly different than what is established, someone then comes in here and goes 'WELL LORE CHANGES' or 'WELL BETHESDA PUBLISHED IT'.

why bother?

the lore changing needed to justify the fact that there are 100,000 'chosen' people running around, alone, should be enough to realize that it's a p. bad idea to follow.

 

[Lysistrata]

probably a stupid question, but why do you care so much? is it just that you want to 'win'?

every time someone comes in here and says 'ESO lore isn't really wrong!' and then people list multiple reasons why, in fact, it is vastly different than what is established, someone then comes in here and goes 'WELL LORE CHANGES' or 'WELL BETHESDA PUBLISHED IT'.

why bother?

the lore changing needed to justify the fact that there are 100,000 'chosen' people running around, alone, should be enough to realize that it's a p. bad idea to follow.

How is the fact that ESO is an MMO relevant to EK? EK doesn't NEED to simulate the thousands of players in ESO, or make any reference to the bestial senche in ESO, in fact, pretty much none of the discrepancies would be relevant to EK if the team recognised ESO lore as canon.

Nor is it about "winning". I just sincerely hope that the EK team doesn't completely make up rulers etc. for the time period of ESO when they get around to that time just because they don't like what's already available. As aforementioned, I hope that the Emperors established by ESO (Durcorach, Leovic, Varen, Clivia), the Alliances and/or their composite rulers (Ayrenn, Naemon, Rilis XIII, Estre, Camoran Aeradan, the various Treethanes and Canonreeves, the Mane, Emeric, Fahara'jad, Kurog, Jorunn, Mabjaarn, Nurnhilde, you get the idea) should be included in EK, at least.

 

[Gurluas]

They should but...Doesn't ESO start in a different time than EK?
I.E Early Second age?

I'd rather see proper province names and such.

 

[Novacat]

How is the fact that ESO is an MMO relevant to EK? EK doesn't NEED to simulate the thousands of players in ESO, or make any reference to the bestial senche in ESO, in fact, pretty much none of the discrepancies would be relevant to EK if the team recognised ESO lore as canon.

Hardly. We would have to redo mane succession as well as relook the different breeds, and thats just from my knowlege of the Khajiit.

 

[Gurluas]

Hardly. We would have to redo mane succession as well as relook the different breeds, and thats just from my knowlege of the Khajiit.

I'm all for ignoring the Khajit thing, but I'd like the provinces and city names to be incorporated.

From my knowledge, Pact lore is pretty constitent with other lores except for very tiny mistakes, such as a one-off npc mentioning Markarth when it was funded by Tiber Septim.
And since EK starts before ESO, I.E before the Pact was formed, theres no issue with Argonian slavery.

 

[exin]

At any rate, if nothing else, I do hope the EK team ends up using ESO as a resource for the rulers at the time as a bare minimum - e.g. Leovic, Durcorach, Estre, Varen, the Tharns, the Alliances (or if not, their composite kingdoms at the VERY least, e.g. Ayrenn and Camoran Aeradan should be in, even if the Dominion isn't), etc. should all be included.

Well, after much debates we did come up with a solution for this situation. There will be no bookmarks that take place in the timeframe that ESO takes place or references. We decided it was best if we skipped over ESO and let you guys, who want ESO, to make a sub-mod bookmark for it.

This way we can get to the more fun bookmarks, like Tiber Septim, much faster.

Also in regards to map chances, while that is a good idea, there is no map change in plan at least for a few more versions. We also need to redo Akavir, and the reality is that Korba is the one who will have to do it, and he is one man who already has his time stretched thin. And remaking the map is a great endeavor, because that in itself means a lot of changed to a whole lot of files, which are tedious to do.

So while we are going to leave the ESO hot topic alone to cool off, the map changes are a nice idea, but not for the immediate future of EK.

 

[Gurluas]

I could do them if necessary. But only once 1.5 is out and I have the newest map. They're simple renames of existing provinces so it should not be a problem.

Why does Akavir have to redone?

 

[exin]

I could do them if necessary. But only once 1.5 is out and I have the newest map. They're simple renames of existing provinces so it should not be a problem.

Why does Akavir have to redone?

Well Akavir right now is just a placeholder of what it was supposed to be. Given we have no real source on how Akavir should look like, so when Korba made Akavir, the current version, it was more like the first draft. He has planned something to make it more interesting and alive, territory wise, but that is for the next revision of the map.

Hopefully when that happens Tamriel gets a revision as well, especially Skyrim .

 

[Lysistrata]

Well, after much debates we did come up with a solution for this situation. There will be no bookmarks that take place in the timeframe that ESO takes place or references. We decided it was best if we skipped over ESO and let you guys, who want ESO, to make a sub-mod bookmark for it.

This way we can get to the more fun bookmarks, like Tiber Septim, much faster.

Also in regards to map chances, while that is a good idea, there is no map change in plan at least for a few more versions. We also need to redo Akavir, and the reality is that Korba is the one who will have to do it, and he is one man who already has his time stretched thin. And remaking the map is a great endeavor, because that in itself means a lot of changed to a whole lot of files, which are tedious to do.

So while we are going to leave the ESO hot topic alone to cool off, the map changes are a nice idea, but not for the immediate future of EK.

I take it that means no Reachman Invasion bookmark?

 

[exin]

I take it that means no Reachman Invasion bookmark?

No that one is close to finish and will be in the 1.5 release.

 

[Lysistrata]

No that one is close to finish and will be in the 1.5 release.

Ah, will it include Durcorach? And if so, as Emperor? Although I'd assume not.

 

[exin]

Ah, will it include Durcorach? And if so, as Emperor? Although I'd assume not.

Edit: Actually Durcorach will be in. Skyrim and Cyrodiil are out last two places that need to be done before the bookmark is completed. After I posted that I decided to check out master plan, and aye he is in.

 

[Lysistrata]

You assume correct! Doing that would mean that in less than a century after the fall of the Tsaesci Potentate a whole new Empire rose up. And that means going the ESO route, which we avoid. So no, no Durcorach. If we knew about this whole ESO conflict when we started the bookmark, we would've skipped it entirely.

So is there one single fictional character to replace him, or is it just a patchwork of Reachmen similar to the Interregnum, albeit more widespread?