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I know, I know, I'm late to the party. I've generally not really run trade builds. And I'm not really thinking I'm gonna change that much. BUT, now that I can create a trade federation just by picking the trade traditions, I wonder if maybe I should start taking those to move off of consumer goods jobs. Plus the extra unity doesn't hurt either. What do you all think, utopian abundance and liberation wars financed by a trade league? Is that my best bet?
 
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Trade League can certainly help with the CG upkeep for Utopian Abundance.

Merchants are probably okay if you have TV boosters on them, but I suspect Masterful Crafters will be more useful early on.
 
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"This liberation war was brought to you by the Huxgan Commerce League. Enter promo Code 'Liberation2281' for 5% off on checkout!" - sure, why not. Note that you can join a trade league without having to take trade traditions, and then take it over from within. Although if you want to play a trade build you'll probably want to have as many trade boosts as possible. Just an idea in case you need the tradition slot for something else after all.
 
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"This liberation war was brought to you by the Huxgan Commerce League. Enter promo Code 'Liberation2281' for 5% off on checkout!" - sure, why not. Note that you can join a trade league without having to take trade traditions, and then take it over from within. Although if you want to play a trade build you'll probably want to have as many trade boosts as possible. Just an idea in case you need the tradition slot for something else after all.
Haha, well there is a consumer trends analysis algorithm trend and a workers' collectives tradition, so I like to roleplay that my trade is still a democratically (and algorithmically) planned nationalized (galactized?) economy :p

As for joining a trade league, I need to be in a federation with fanatic egalitarians ans servitors and I rarely find those AIs in trade leagues. So I gotta do this myself for solo play, though I could see one of my other friends doing a trade build so I don't have to next time we play multiplayer.

As for merchants, yeah I suppose I could lean hard into trade, but I was wondering if it was worth it just picking the tradition and making a trade league without trade minmaxing.
 

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I'd be very interested to see your results and impressions, myself, I'm still trying to see just how fast I can blow up the tech tree in the beta.
 
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As for merchants, yeah I suppose I could lean hard into trade, but I was wondering if it was worth it just picking the tradition and making a trade league without trade minmaxing.
I meant trade traditions when I was talking about a trade build. True, you can gear your empire way more towards trade than that :)

The trade policy is the best in the game, so if you're thinking about making a trade heavy build, sure, the policy alone is probably worth it already.

I'm not a trade expert though - I usually don't play that heavily into the trade mechanics, especially not as a megacorp, because I prefer the default subject types and civics. In my default game, I usually go for the marketplace of ideas policy, join a federation rather than form one, and produce consumer goods on my planets. Once I unlock ecumenopoleis, I dedicate one or two to consumer good production to feed my research worlds, and that's usually enough until I have like three different ringworlds full of scientists.

Also, I'm not that good in Stellaris, and I'm often rather vulnerable during the first 70 years of the game. A lot of people seem to think highly of consumer benefits, and since consumer goods tend to be one of my main weaknesses in the early midgame, I kind of see their point, but the extra influence is just too good to pass up. Now that I'm writing this sentence I'm noticing that the trade federation policy combines these two policies, so, yeah, I really think the policy is worth it.
 
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Just my 2 cents, I just think that any way to get rid of consumer good production is a good take, because more alloys and research instead.
And in term of RP, trade can take various form, but should always exist regardless of ethics.
 
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Excellent, I think you've all convinced me my next beta playthrough is gonna be with a trade league :) I definitely like the idea of extra unity and consumer goods without having to dedicate extra jobs
 

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Also, I'm not that good in Stellaris, and I'm often rather vulnerable during the first 70 years of the game. A lot of people seem to think highly of consumer benefits, and since consumer goods tend to be one of my main weaknesses in the early midgame, I kind of see their point, but the extra influence is just too good to pass up. Now that I'm writing this sentence I'm noticing that the trade federation policy combines these two policies, so, yeah, I really think the policy is worth it.

3.3b trade league gets you 0.5 energy, 0.25 cg, and 0.25 unity -- while 3.3b marketplace of bad ides only gets you 0.5 energy and 0.125 unity, which is half what it gave in 3.2

It's likely that 3.3 non-beta will change either trade league to 0.125 unity or mob ideas to 0.25 unity.
 
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3.3b trade league gets you 0.5 energy, 0.25 cg, and 0.25 unity -- while 3.3b marketplace of bad ides only gets you 0.5 energy and 0.125 unity, which is half what it gave in 3.2

It's likely that 3.3 non-beta will change either trade league to 0.125 unity or mob ideas to 0.25 unity.
Why? Trade league requires TWO traditions, diplomacy AND mercantile. It makes sense that a federation trade policy would gain more benefits than an individual trade policy.
 

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Why? Trade league requires TWO traditions, diplomacy AND mercantile. It makes sense that a federation trade policy would gain more benefits than an individual trade policy.

I'd be happy if you were right.

Honestly I don't think mo' ideas needed the nerf, and I don't think Trade League needs it either, but my expectation is that Trade League will get the same nerf as mo' ideas.
 

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Haha, well there is a consumer trends analysis algorithm trend and a workers' collectives tradition, so I like to roleplay that my trade is still a democratically (and algorithmically) planned nationalized (galactized?) economy :p
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