I find it odd that being too strong to have rivals means you slowly lose power projection.
Should there be a power projection bonus for being unrivaled?
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They adressed this issue by giving you free power projection for your GP position.
If you cannot have any rivals, you are undoubtedly the #1 Great Power, which gets you ... 25 PP. If you have all 7 Age Objectives accomplished, you can get another 21 (7 x 3), for a total of 46 PP. Since you have no rivals, you can't get PP from long-time rivals, or insulting a rival, or embargoing a rival, or privateering a rival, or DOWing a rival, or taking provinces from a rival, or subsidizing a rival's opponent, or humiliating a rival, or eclipsing a rival (after the boost from your last eclipsed rival burns off), or anything else having to do with a rival.
Of course, at that point, you have probably already won the game, so who needs PP? But it is odd that the one country in the game that gets shorted on PP is the country with the most power to project.
Of course, at that point, you have probably already won the game, so who needs PP? But it is odd that the one country in the game that gets shorted on PP is the country with the most power to project.
You can bank way more than 100PP, giving you max PP until 1821.
Unless you got in the position of not having any rivals too early in which case you are able to end the game earlier.
Sitting around watching PP decrease without doing any serious expansion is a valid option when it comes to playing the game, not a valid argument for additional free PP.
The problem is that being too strong would lose you 3 MPs per month... I bet no one cares about this anymore if being a far away #1 grants >50 PP
But well, this happens usually when the players blob too hard, otherwise Ottomans and Ming are always there for you
Who came up with this idea that you deserve 100PP for being big? It's a resource, use it. Time it. Calculate it.
A free bonus got introduced. It has no drawbacks at all. People kept crying for months until they increased the minimum amount of PP you can't drop below and now some are asking for even more.
They should get rid of the MP bonus altogether. It seems to be the only thing people can see.
A free bonus got introduced. It has no drawbacks at all. People kept crying for months until they increased the minimum amount of PP you can't drop below and now some are asking for even more.
They should get rid of the MP bonus altogether. It seems to be the only thing people can see.
Especially since once you are that big, you'll be buying level 5 advisers anyway. If you didn't set yourself up to have the bonus MP, then you don't get it, simple as that. No reason why you should win harder for free.
Yes, there is. You are literally projecting your power all over the world without it being reflected on the POWER PROJECTION meter. I would address this by giving a PP gain for winning wars against other Great Powers.
A soft +5 PP for every unfilled Rival slot due to lack of options (AND only applying if you're a great power) would work pretty well. The PP would stick at 40 as GP#1 and as long as you can complete a couple age objectives, you're getting the extra points.
I see no reason not to give this out; more PP will hardly affect the game in a way that makes the player's benefit be gamechanging. If you're already this far ahead, being a small bit further ahead doesn't really change the game much...
It's one of those things that makes the late game be kinda burned out, there is no legitimate reward for accomplishing certain things. Being unrivaled isn't a goal or an achievement, it's a malus. In a way, similar to forming the Roman Empire or hitting that renovatio imperii button.
I see no reason not to give this out; more PP will hardly affect the game in a way that makes the player's benefit be gamechanging. If you're already this far ahead, being a small bit further ahead doesn't really change the game much...
It's one of those things that makes the late game be kinda burned out, there is no legitimate reward for accomplishing certain things. Being unrivaled isn't a goal or an achievement, it's a malus. In a way, similar to forming the Roman Empire or hitting that renovatio imperii button.
It's really only a "problem" if you grow too big too early. Once Imperialism cb, becomes available you can 150+ PP from a single war. If you still have 1 or 2 valid rivals at that time, you won't have to worry about PP for the rest of the game.
Totally agree, so I find the name "Power Projection" rather misleading at the moment...
By the way if we are to be serious about the name, then naval strength should contribute to the PP score too (you can beat up/bring troubles to people further away at a faster speed)
Naval strength does contribute in that pirating rivals gives insane amounts of PP compared to other actions.
Not even a malus, just a little less of a free bonus.
Unnoticeable compared to hitting your 8th reform.
Not even a malus, just a little less of a free bonus.
Unnoticeable compared to hitting your 8th reform.
That's still very far from making it an achievement, or a good thing to aim for. If anything, you want to make sure your last standing rival stays all the way until you can chop off a good hundred PP from them.