Just don't move the entire thread to the outer ring of Paradox's hell, the OT. I'm actually discussing something game-related here.
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Just don't move the entire thread to the outer ring of Paradox's hell, the OT. I'm actually discussing something game-related here.
Originally posted by N Katsyev
Just don't move the entire thread to the outer ring of Paradox's hell, the OT. I'm actually discussing something game-related here.
I did not move it, that is why I gave a friendly reminder, so I would not have to.
For the sake of pragmatism, compromise and boosting likelihood of a change, I support 2 ducats per country per year. I would prefer 3, 4 or 5 even more though.
To prevent a warmongering pope from expanding to much with this extra income maybe a relation trigger should be added, like with the HRE. Positive relations will grant money, negative relations not.
The amount they get should not be to big otherwise it would unbalance stuff, so more than 2 would be too much.
The amount they get should not be to big otherwise it would unbalance stuff, so more than 2 would be too much.
Yes, linking it to relations with the catholic countries would make sense. Perhaps +1 ducat at 75, +2 at 125 and +3 at 200?
You are tying here the income of the papal central authority to indulgences. But it was not just that. It was a lot more.
In the early XV century, the catholic church was an efficient money making machine. Each of the cardinal possitions, each bishop's appointment formed an incredible chess game where moving each piece, even the minor ones, produced a rain of gold in Rome.
Not only the pope got income from indulgences, but for cardinal, archbissop, bishop and even minor clerical appointments. And it was not cheap. Moreover, the church controlled extensive holdings in every catholic countries, and it was a true State-within-the-state. And that is one of the reasons the German princes turned protestant.
The tithings and many of the taxes from this lands and business went to Rome, since in many, if not all, catholic countries, the religious holdings could not be taxed by the local king.
In the early XV century, the catholic church was an efficient money making machine. Each of the cardinal possitions, each bishop's appointment formed an incredible chess game where moving each piece, even the minor ones, produced a rain of gold in Rome.
Not only the pope got income from indulgences, but for cardinal, archbissop, bishop and even minor clerical appointments. And it was not cheap. Moreover, the church controlled extensive holdings in every catholic countries, and it was a true State-within-the-state. And that is one of the reasons the German princes turned protestant.
The tithings and many of the taxes from this lands and business went to Rome, since in many, if not all, catholic countries, the religious holdings could not be taxed by the local king.
Well, considering my lack of imagination, I would have not known what to say, but after looking at the current benefits for the Emperor, I would say that something in the line of the new benefits for the emperor.
It would be, I think, 2 ducats (or 1) from any catholic country with 0+ relations with the pope, and with innovative 6 or less. And it would down with time, until disappearing (perhaps going from 2 to 1 with the edict of Tolerance... and then disappearing at a later date).
It would be, I think, 2 ducats (or 1) from any catholic country with 0+ relations with the pope, and with innovative 6 or less. And it would down with time, until disappearing (perhaps going from 2 to 1 with the edict of Tolerance... and then disappearing at a later date).
Sounds reasonable, but I don't think Innovativeness should matter for the tribute - an innovative, creative and free-thinking catholic is still a catholic, after all...
Yeah the catholics are rolling in it with all their dodgy dealings and whatnot. Its odd how they are not that different to other nations.
Yeah, well, but taxes for the church is pretty a middle age think reminiscence. An advanced state should refuse to pay.
On the other hand, the "papal income" would become less and less over time when compared to all the other incomes (they grow, while the "papal income" would almost never do so).
Originally posted by Newbreed
Tell me you're joking?
I think his references are "The Godfather part 3"
hmm great idea
just like austria gets 2 ducats per elector...
maybe pope should get 2 or 3 ducats , per catholic nation.
in census... would be rather nice to see that
just like austria gets 2 ducats per elector...
maybe pope should get 2 or 3 ducats , per catholic nation.
in census... would be rather nice to see that
refuse to pay tithes made by the peasants to the church? france took over the church while remaining nominally catholic, & controlled some of these monies, but this was an unusual choice historically, even after becoming nation states.