Should the papal states get more income?

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From what I've heard, a significant portion of the money used to go to the Papal states. If that is the case, wouldn't it make sense if all catholic countries "sent" some gold to the Papal states in the samme manner that electors now contribute to the coffers of the Emperor?

 

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I think a better way to implement this would be, during the early part of the EU period, having sporadic "indulgences" events that would give the Papal States some money. The state(s) being targeted for indulgences could either choose to go along with the Pope <lose money, +relations with Papal States> or curtail the indulgence sellers <-1 stab, -relations with Papal States?>. Of course, this would all end in the 16th century or so. Alternatively, the Pope could be the only one to be affected by the events. I'd rather not see the Papal States get such a constant income, though.

 

[N Katsyev]

I've thought of this thing before. The amount of money the Pope would bring in from "indulgences" alone was astronomical and helped finance many of his military ventures... and well, Vatican intirigues as well . I wouldn't be opposed to the Pope making a couple ducats a year off of Catholic countries. Obviously we couldn't represent it on the scale it historically was, as this would probably unbalance things pretty severely in Italy. But it would be interesting to see this implemented in game, of course have this money come from "god" and not the real coffers of the Catholic countries. Then, it only needs to be 1 or 2 ducats. Maybe we'll see a Papal player a bit more foreceful in trying to have those Protty countries force converted...

 

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If papal states get anything then the Byzantines should get it too, also any sunni country owning Mecca.

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by dictator
If papal states get anything then the Byzantines should get it too, also any sunni country owning Mecca.

Why?

 

[JohnMK]

The Orthodox Patriarch was a sort of pope wasn't he? I think that's all he's saying.

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by JohnMK
The Orthodox Patriarch was a sort of pope wasn't he? I think that's all he's saying.

Ah, well that's fine and good and all. But my point was that the Pope made money not from just being the leader of the religion, but by purposely cashing in on being the sole leader of the religion, through "indulgences" and aggressive church policies of acquiring lands. Not to mention the extension of his personal lands, the Papal states. The Sultan or Patriarch as far as I know, did not do these kind of things, but then I could be mistaken.

 

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Yeah but at least the sunni owner of Mecca should get money because from all pilgrims.

 

[Smirfy]

I think the Papacy should be strengthened for role-play purposes if nothing else. Catholic nations payed a tithe to the church and maybe this could go to the papal states.

 

[Nikolai II]

Originally posted by dictator
Yeah but at least the sunni owner of Mecca should get money because from all pilgrims.

Better trade or something, it's not as if it was huge sums, right?

 

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I dont see why the income to the pope (and owner of mecca and such) simply couldnt be added to the base tax value

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by knott
I dont see why the income to the pope (and owner of mecca and such) simply couldnt be added to the base tax value

We don't want the Ottomans who annex Rome to be profiting off of indulgences now do we?

 

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You could make an event so that when country owned Rome and wasn't Catholic or CRC, Rome's tax value decreased from 30 to 5 or something.

But that wouldn't do it, because we wouldn't want that money to go to research. It should cold, hard cash in the treasury that they get, and serious amounts of it.

 

[Auspend]

Originally posted by dictator
Yeah but at least the sunni owner of Mecca should get money because from all pilgrims.

Maybe increase the base tax value for Mecca a bit?

 

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for every catholic province he should get income, just like the vatican does now :/ so they can build their gold palaces VANITY!!!!!

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by Goingonit

But that wouldn't do it, because we wouldn't want that money to go to research. It should cold, hard cash in the treasury that they get, and serious amounts of it.

Hence my original suggestion of a similiar money getting code similiar to that of Austria. Where for each Catholic country, the Pope gets maybe 1 or 2 ducats per year, right to treasury. In the beginning the Pope is getting quite wealthy off all this, however with the rise of Protestantism, expansion of other powers, and the natural dissapearance of nations throughout the course of the game, the Papal states will gradually get weaker and weaker. Sounds quite historical to me.

In 1492 there are ~45 Catholic nations, so with a 2 ducat a year bonus, the Pope would be bringing in 90d a year from this alone, making him among the most rich monarchs of the time, which is quite accurate.

However by 1617 in AoM there are only ~18 Catholic nations, so the Pope has seen in a little over a century, his before 90d a year shrink to 36d.

It would be quite an interesting change anyway.

 

[Raghnall]

The greek patriarch didn't have authority over all the Orthodox represented areas in eu2. The Orthodox religion varies from region to region.

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by Auspend
Maybe increase the base tax value for Mecca a bit?

Maybe by 1, I doubt that much cash was generated from pilgrims ever made it to the monarch's coffers.

 

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Giving it 1-2 ducats for every catholic province would make a papal player an important player as it should be. They would be able to fund conversions and fund crusades. It made the catholic church mad when 'heretics' sprung out cause they started losing money from the lack of money made from tithes and offerings. Giving them 1-2 ducs per catholic province would only be fair since historically papal was a rich kingdom and still is today .

 

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historically papal was a rich kingdom and still is today

I never knew that the pope was also a king