Should The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands get there own provinces?

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For someone who calls himself "grand historian" you are offensively ignorant. The original culture of Jersey is Norman and the National Anthem (even technically to this day) is "My Normandy". Jersey was traditionally Norman and not Anglo at all. That England became Anglo-Norman over time does not make Jersey English any more than it makes it French.

But please, do continue to tell me how well represented I am by a totally different country with a completely different culture.

EDIT: Both quotes didn't appear, but I am talking (obviously) to Grand Historian here as well.

There is a vast, cavernous void between under representation and utter non-existence.

So if the Channel Islands were mostly Norman then maybe they could be part of the province of Normandy? Oh wait, they already are.

So much for non-existence. They are already on the map!
 
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From technical point of view:

Isle of Man could be made a province.
Channel Islands - nope - it *can* be done, but it cant be done in a fashion thats up to vanilla standards. (in order to have them work they would need to be enlarged to a point where they just look ugly as hell)
 
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So paradox has to add every insignificant island in the entire world or risk upsetting nationalists? I hope they use more rational criteria for adding provinces

They clearly aren't using any rational criteria. But this is a fact that has been established before.

Jersey's historical importance is actually very large. Large enough for some of the most important dynasties (both French and English) to live there and/or use it as a refuge. Important enough that it was fought over and a piece on the board in over 106 years of war. Important enough that a colony was named after it and it's style of government was broadly replicated in the USA. It's got one of the worlds longest, unbroken histories. It is home to the worlds oldest recorded military regiment. It has some of the worlds most impressive fortifications outside of the great wall. It even had it's own unique language (though, I personally hate it and hope it stays dead).

It also would be a great place for tension between England and France, like it was in real life. It was guaranteed by both England and France. Thus, neither could attack it without provoking the other. In the game, you could simply make it so that both nations guarantee it from the start and that it cannot be vassalised diplomatically. Boom, gameplay and historical value.

The reason jersey isn't included is simple.
1) No-one in paradox cares enough about it to add it. Just like, for example, expanding the detail of Japan.

Any other reasoning is demonstrably false.
 
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So if the Channel Islands were mostly Norman then maybe they could be part of the province of Normandy? Oh wait, they already are.

So much for non-existence. They are already on the map!

Well, I suppose pretending that a minority doesn't exist is par the course for some people right? Don't worry, I'm used to casual racism. The English call us French and the French call us English. Which is it? You clearly know what you are talking about so why not enlighten me?

Honestly, it'd be like me telling the Paradox guys that they are Danish.
 
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Well, I suppose pretending that a minority doesn't exist is par the course for some people right? Don't worry, I'm used to casual racism. The English call us French and the French call us English. Which is it? You clearly know what you are talking about so why not enlighten me?

Honestly, it'd be like me telling the Paradox guys that they are Danish.

For someone so touchy about their nationality you sure don't seem to have a problem using the flag of Great Britain as your avatar.
 
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The reason jersey isn't included is simple.
1) No-one in paradox cares enough about it to add it. Just like, for example, expanding the detail of Japan.

Any other reasoning is demonstrably false.
Expanding on the detail of Japan would take a lot of work and probably some new, unique mechanics. Its not because Paradox doesn't care enough. "Care" is a bad choice of phrasing anyway. It sounds too personal.

Are you actually hoping for a Jersey tag?
 

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For someone so touchy about their nationality you sure don't seem to have a problem using the flag of Great Britain as your avatar.

That is because I signed up for and met the standard to be in the UK military, but I was sadly medically discharged. Additionally, it contains the Jersey flag. I cannot pick the Jersey flag nor upload it separately.

I don't hate England or France, or the UK. I'm not that petty. I just want you to get your facts right.

If Jersey was someone in Paradox's pet location, it'd be done by now. Care is a fine word. Developers often are guilty of working only on what interests them and ignoring other work, which is often why boring, uninteresting QA, bug fixes, interface stuff, etc gets a back seat.

And yes, a Jersey tag would be lovely. I'd even pay Paradox to add it. I'm on big money so whatever.
 
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It even had it's own unique language (though, I personally hate it and hope it stays dead).
A remark that positively reeks of "Parlez Français - Soyez Propres".
It also would be a great place for tension between England and France, like it was in real life. It was guaranteed by both England and France. Thus, neither could attack it without provoking the other. In the game, you could simply make it so that both nations guarantee it from the start and that it cannot be vassalised diplomatically. Boom, gameplay and historical value.
Why would I not cancel the guarantee on 1444.11.11, and invade them on 1449.12.1?
 
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Important enough that a colony was named after it
New Jersey is named after Jersey because it was founded by a man from Jersey, not necessarily because Jersey was important enough to have a colony named after it.
 
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A remark that positively reeks of "Parlez Français - Soyez Propres".

Why would I not cancel the guarantee on 1444.11.11, and invade them on 1449.12.1?

Ummm...? Sure, if you want to help the nation best positioned to kill you then sure?
 
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You haven't proven me false in equating Japan's lack of attention to Jersey's exclusion.

It is a proof systemic from the reasoning. There are places less historically, economically, militarily less important than both Jersey and Japan that have received more attention from Paradox. You are meant to supply a criterion by which they decide to spend time adding or detailing places that isn't my asserted one of "because they feel like it (or don't)".
 
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An easy way to attack France or England without facing their allies.

Umm. No, if you are France or England, then you help the other nation by removing your guarantee. If you are not either, then you'd have to fight them both (a frightening prospect for any nation). Come on guys, please think about your posts before you make them.
 
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I don't know, should Heligoland get its own province? What about all the individual islands of the Visayas in the Philippines get their own province? Surely there were many distinctive cultures living there in this timeframe, not just one! I want to play my native filipino tribal nation! That's literally the only reason I bought this game! If PI doesn't add a province for every individual Visayan island, they're alienating me!
 
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And then people get mad at Balkan threads...
At least they had recent wars.

I apologise on behalf of my country :p. This pseudo-nationalistic silliness isn't representative of the views of the population.
 
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Umm. No, if you are France or England, then you help the other nation by removing your guarantee.
No I don't, because you stipulated that the state in the Channel Islands is beyond diplomatic vassalization one way or another, so I might as well revoke my guarantee, then curbstomp them at a convenient opportunity.

Heck, I might even use them as a way to circumvent a truce with my trans-Manche rival.
 
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