Should The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands get there own provinces?

[neondt]

Spoken like a true imported islander from the finance industry (I have never met someone born in the islands who refers to themselves as a "channel islander", the inter-island rivalry would never permit it). Jersey has a rich history during this period, was strategically important, highly developed economy for the time. In addition to this, the many harbours and fortifications of the island had huge impact on trade and shipping. The trade good could easily be furs, because the extreme rabbit population was often heavily farmed for both meat and for using in making clothes and wears.

I was born here, and I have no connection to the finance industry. Not that it matters.

Jersey was strategically important because 1) the local fortifications (Elizabeth Castle etc) made it highly defensible and a deterrent against French naval action in that part of the Channel and 2) the natural harbors and proximity to France made it an ideal location as a privateering base. Jersey was the most successful privateering base in the British Isles during the wars against France in the period. I don't see how the game can model this sort of strategic importance in its current state.

Do you have a source for Jersey's supposed economic importance? Afaik most of what Jersey produced stayed in Jersey, making it largely irrelevant in terms of international trade.

"Pandering to a certain crowd"? You mean the unbelievably vast majority who play their own country if able?.

There are probably less than 100 people in Jersey who even own the game on Steam

 

[Aries666]

hong kong ... maybe??
but the others NO! they are waay to small tehn u can start add all the douzends of dutch and german islands ...

The Isle of Man is pretty much the same size as Bornholm which is a province.

 

[WSnova]

If they add Naval fortifications they should be added tbqh.

 

[Jomini]

So let's see. We have AIs that are incompetent at invading or defending small islands. England, an AI with major early game rebel events would be the presumptive owner 99% of the time.

I am going to have to go with "heck no" on this question. It runs far too high a risk that England will get mucked over during the Lollards or WotR events.

Given how horridly Pdox nuked the legitimate island cores of Byzantium to stop rebels to mucking up the Agean, I can see no reason to invite island-rebel trouble to England.

 

[MacDuffin]

While the Isle of Man has a rather interesting culture and history I don't really see the purpose of having it in the game.
While it proved a useful base for the Medieval period, much of the time frame of EU4 it mostly sat there mostly autonomous. As such it wouldn't really have a large impact on the game itself, its just more manpower for England to draw on.

I'm not saying it isn't an interesting region, it totally is, but for the relevance of EU4 its hard to put it in.

 

[Chlodio]

While the Isle of Man has a rather interesting culture and history I don't really see the purpose of having it in the game.
While it proved a useful base for the Medieval period, much of the time frame of EU4 it mostly sat there mostly autonomous. As such it wouldn't really have a large impact on the game itself, its just more manpower for England to draw on.

I'm not saying it isn't an interesting region, it totally is, but for the relevance of EU4 its hard to put it in.

Isle of Man is size of Bornholm, it has twice population of Bornholm and it is strategically important.

 

[Panzerschiffe]

In an alternate reality where Scotland or Ireland became a power and they vied with England for supremacy, that island seems like it would have strategic importance for all these nations. Maybe there would be a strait connecting it to Ireland, England, and Scotland.

Bornholm in game seems useless, but it was important historically because of it's position in the Baltic.

 

[grommile]

I can't play my home country because the province it's located in doesn't exist. This product excludes me even though it's leading advertisement tag line is along the lines of "lead your historical nation to victory... blah blah blah."

I don't want to play my home country, because it's really boring.

 

[Edmon]

I don't want to play my home country, because it's really boring.

I love difficult start OPM's. I actually put the entire of Europe to the sword as a 50 point norse 1/1/1 nation just to do the three custom achievements at once. It was pretty epic. Monastic Orders OP.

 

[Anastasius.H]

Hong Kong is just an insignificant place in EU4 timeframe, no point to add it into the game.
Macau is there because it was under Portuguese control since the 16th century.

 

[Grand Historian]

There is a vast, cavernous void between under representation and utter non-existence.

Because, clearly, the exclusion of the Channel Islands and Man means that Britain is horribly unrepresented and underdeveloped and thus would keep all those countless Manx nationalists from playing as them.

 

[Homusubi]

Because, clearly, the exclusion of the Channel Islands and Man means that Britain is horribly unrepresented and underdeveloped and thus would keep all those countless Manx nationalists from playing as them.

Truly. If the Channel Islands were included, if the Balkan arguments are anything to go by, people would be clamouring for Jersey and Guernsey to be separate provinces...

There are far more pressing issues with the map than the Isle of Man. I think that we, of all people, know where they are, GH.

 

[Edmon]

Truly. If the Channel Islands were included, if the Balkan arguments are anything to go by, people would be clamouring for Jersey and Guernsey to be separate provinces...

There are far more pressing issues with the map than the Isle of Man. I think that we, of all people, know where they are, GH.

For someone who calls himself "grand historian" you are offensively ignorant. The original culture of Jersey is Norman and the National Anthem (even technically to this day) is "My Normandy". Jersey was traditionally Norman and not Anglo at all. That England became Anglo-Norman over time does not make Jersey English any more than it makes it French.

But please, do continue to tell me how well represented I am by a totally different country with a completely different culture.

EDIT: Both quotes didn't appear, but I am talking (obviously) to Grand Historian here as well.

 

[Sigwald]

Because if there is one thing the devs should focus on, it's certainly adding a 1/1/1 shitcountry OPM.

Featuring groundbreaking arguments such as "King Anonymous II the forgettable killed a dear here once" and "People here were the last fighting in civil war n°984 because it was so remote that they were the last to hear the news".

 

[MacDuffin]

Isle of Man is size of Bornholm, it has twice population of Bornholm and it is strategically important.

I think that argument is fair, but I think it also raises the question of whether Bornholm really should be in game? Is its only purpose at the moment for a buff to Denmark.
Again, Man does have its place, but whether these Islands help is another thing. I know in the Beyond the Pale 3 mod it exists, but England doesn't really need the extra territory on its Island.

 

[Xara]

For someone who calls himself "grand historian" you are offensively ignorant.

you should probably double check who you are calling out vs. who it is you are actually quoting when you are posting a raving mad response

 

[AwesomeKeith]

"Pandering to a certain crowd"? You mean the unbelievably vast majority who play their own country if able?

I can't play my home country because the province it's located in doesn't exist. This product excludes me even though it's leading advertisement tag line is along the lines of "lead your historical nation to victory... blah blah blah."

Of course, my country is almost entirely composed of white people, so I can't even play the excluded minority card to get the basic features that everyone else enjoys.

I don't ever play USA even though I'm 'Murican. Does that mean I'm a minority? Now I'm gonna get deported, thanks Obama.

 

[Chancellor_Von_Bismarck]

Where's the popcorn? This is great!

 

[earlofbrigand]

I don't think so. Maybe the Isle of Man at a push, but not the Channel Islands

 

[gronak]

I don't ever play USA even though I'm 'Murican. Does that mean I'm a minority? Now I'm gonna get deported, thanks Obama.

USA? Don't you mean the Birtish colony Thirteen Colonies?