Should The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands get there own provinces?

[neondt]

Speaking as a Channel Islander, no. What benefit does a 1/1/1 fish (later grain, arguably) province in the Channel have for gameplay? Jersey had strategic significance, but it's not something the game can model in its current state. Unless Mare Nostrum is going to have some sort of naval fort mechanic, all it adds is the potential for a gamey method of trapping English/French AI armies. I'd like to see the Channel Islands in the game one day, but what we've seen so far of Mare Nostrum doesn't give us any reason to suspect that we're in a position where it'd be a good idea yet.

Man would be even more pointless.

 

[neondt]

Spoken like a true imported islander from the finance industry (I have never met someone born in the islands who refers to themselves as a "channel islander", the inter-island rivalry would never permit it). Jersey has a rich history during this period, was strategically important, highly developed economy for the time. In addition to this, the many harbours and fortifications of the island had huge impact on trade and shipping. The trade good could easily be furs, because the extreme rabbit population was often heavily farmed for both meat and for using in making clothes and wears.

I was born here, and I have no connection to the finance industry. Not that it matters.

Jersey was strategically important because 1) the local fortifications (Elizabeth Castle etc) made it highly defensible and a deterrent against French naval action in that part of the Channel and 2) the natural harbors and proximity to France made it an ideal location as a privateering base. Jersey was the most successful privateering base in the British Isles during the wars against France in the period. I don't see how the game can model this sort of strategic importance in its current state.

Do you have a source for Jersey's supposed economic importance? Afaik most of what Jersey produced stayed in Jersey, making it largely irrelevant in terms of international trade.

"Pandering to a certain crowd"? You mean the unbelievably vast majority who play their own country if able?.

There are probably less than 100 people in Jersey who even own the game on Steam

 

[neondt]

(and, for that matter, what tag would the Channel Islands even use? There was no independent nation there, and if its a feudal title than that would give carte blanch to just balkanize England with feudal-inspired tags)?

This is actually fairly easy to resolve. It's a feudal title, but that title is Duke of Normandy. If it were to be added as a province, it'd be Norman culture with a Norman core, owned by England. A "Jersey" tag would just be silly.

 

[neondt]

And then people get mad at Balkan threads...
At least they had recent wars.

I apologise on behalf of my country . This pseudo-nationalistic silliness isn't representative of the views of the population.

 

[neondt]

I think this thread has become sufficiently farcical.

The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no case for a Jersey tag in EUIV." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."