Should New Allies Join Ongoing Wars?

[Castorem]

Pretty much as the title says - it's truly annoying when you declare a war on a guy and in a few months he makes three new allies and all of the sudden you find yourself on the short end of the stick. What do you guys think?

 

[Bernard95]

Completely agreed, but at least you can do the same to him and force a few of your blobbiest friends to make short work of him. Thankfully the auto call-to-arms will be addressed in the next patch, so there's that too.

 

[PK_AZ]

it's truly annoying when you declare a war on a guy and in a few months he makes three new allies and all of the sudden you find yourself on the short end of the stick.

It's called politics.

 

[StarSword]

Pretty much as the title says - it's truly annoying when you declare a war on a guy and in a few months he makes three new allies and all of the sudden you find yourself on the short end of the stick. What do you guys think?

What kind of war were you dealing with? Because the AI has always done that in holy wars.

The moral is, always keep a couple kids or siblings around to make foreign alliances. The only real risk is that you create a claimant who then comes after you as an adventurer, but that can be dealt with.

 

[Secret Master]

Pretty much as the title says - it's truly annoying when you declare a war on a guy and in a few months he makes three new allies and all of the sudden you find yourself on the short end of the stick. What do you guys think?

Yes, they should.

But perhaps the AI should be far less willing to solidify an alliance when the other party is already in a war.

Of course, holy wars have always had neighbors join in regardless of marital ties. That's just the name of the game.

 

[Moarice]

Yes, they should.

But perhaps the AI should be far less willing to solidify an alliance when the other party is already in a war.

If they'd make it the way they did in EU4, then no, thank you. "Oh, you're at war with my rival which attacked you? Sorry bro, I won't accept your alliance, how could I ally myself with someone fighting at war?"

 

[Secret Master]

If they'd make it the way they did in EU4, then no, thank you. "Oh, you're at war with my rival which attacked you? Sorry bro, I won't accept your alliance, how could I ally myself with someone fighting at war?"

I said less willing, not unwilling. There is a difference between the two.

 

[Castorem]

It was a simple conquest. The problem is no one is willing to ally me as I'm a filthy pagan Zunist amongst Sunnis and Hindus, so I'm happy if I manage to snatch a county or two at a time and when all of the sudden half of India joins to defend a guy - it's not a very pleasant experience. I know it's pretty much realpolitik, but it's a pain in the ass. For simplicity reasons, just like battles don't take a few hours, but instead days, or we don't have naval combat - I believe people at war shouldn't be able to make new allies or at least call them into war.

 

[jere8184]

yes stuff like this should make the game more fun and i would be in favour of more ruthless diplomacy if its realistic

 

[josefrees]

Maybe the option to form alliances should have a modifier for the amount of enemies the one forming an alliance has but it should still be possible to bring someone into a war while it is going on

 

[SchwarzKatze]

It was a simple conquest. The problem is no one is willing to ally me as I'm a filthy pagan Zunist amongst Sunnis and Hindus, so I'm happy if I manage to snatch a county or two at a time and when all of the sudden half of India joins to defend a guy - it's not a very pleasant experience. I know it's pretty much realpolitik, but it's a pain in the ass. For simplicity reasons, just like battles don't take a few hours, but instead days, or we don't have naval combat - I believe people at war shouldn't be able to make new allies or at least call them into war.

Are you using claims or calling holy wars?

 

[Castorem]

Are you using claims or calling holy wars?

It was a pagan county conquest, the enemies were all allies.