Let's not go into that and suffice to say that they are doing well, if not prospering.
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I have long been a fan of hoi2 series and made world both red, blue and much of the time gray since 2006. I tested hoi3 last year I think it was with the V.1.1 patch but after one gaming year with Germany the was going very slow. Is it my computer of was there some problem with the game. I have read many places the game is broken there is bug here and there. Even so I am tempted by this game. It has a bit to many provinces for my small grays in my very head and I get a bit frustrated sometimes for that.
But shall I buy this game? the hoi2 vampire think so
I am huge HoI2 fan and I am eagerly awaiting the release of AoD which I think will radically improve HoI2.
I am not a fan of HoI3 asa result of the horrible performance and numerous problems relating to it's of use and fantastically bad way that it plays. Still, some people have loved it from day one and apparently can actually make run without yanking out their hair.
What I suggest that you wait until 1.4 comes out at play it for a while on a friend's PC that is as close as possible to your own to see if you like it.
If you are too small to release a quality product then you need to release less products and wait until you have a product worth what you charge. Patches are inevitable but releasing utterly nonfunctional garbage is not acceptable. Suggesting that I should pay full price for pre-beta software product and then after waiting a year or more spend some more money and buy an expansion is simply indefensible.
What I find to be a more sensible approach is to never buy a PI product when it's new. Rather, I suggest one wait until a few patches have been issued and then play the game on a friend's machine that is similar to your own. While it's true that PI won't make as much money that way it saves me the frustration of feeling ripped off and the time trying to make a poorly executed product function properly.
Pre-beta? Are you kidding? The game was fully playable for almost all those who bought it. Bugs that make the game un-fun do not render it unplayable (superstacks, etc.). On release the game was functioning. Was it functioning perfectly? No. Was it a usable piece of software? Yes.
Yep it was playable right out of the box. I can't recall anyone complaining about super long load times, CTDs/freezes or glacial like speed. Such things were unknown since I am sure that those matters never came up here before and if they did it simply made the game only somewhat less then perfect. Since the initial patch I have also noticed the utter lack of complaints about how the game works and I think it safe to say that everyone has been delighted with HoI3 for a quite a while now. Still, since PI is a small company we shouldn't expect them to provide a fully functional, enjoyable and plausible grand strategy game. What ever problems exist will, perhaps, be corrected in a as yet to be announced expansion you'll have to buy separately. Certainly no reasonable person could ask for more then that.
I'll grant you the occasional CTD, but the other things don't make it unplayable. It was still useable, even if the game was rather slow. See, there seems to be a pretty big mis-understanding as to the word "playable." If a game starts and runs, and most of the features work, it's playable. An unplayable game wouldn't start, wouldn't have many features, and would crash the second anything happened. It should be noted that there are many people out there right now playing HOI3 and loving it. Are they turned off by the occasional issue? No. The game has been patched pretty well, so far. Are there still some big issues? Yes. Does that make the game unplayable? No. It's like buying a car that get's you to your destination perfectly well, and then complaining that the radio doesn't work and saying that the company that made the car is a bunch of cheapskapes that are only out to get your wallet and milk it dry.
And, if you'll notice, Paradox has been working really hard to patch the game. Most game companies out there would simply move on to the expansion (if there was one).
And, if you'll notice, Paradox has been working really hard to patch the game. Most game companies out there would simply move on to the expansion (if there was one).
YES! It's getting better and better
It's an enjoyable game (to most, at least).
Plenty of people (myself included) had frequent crashes and run times that were so slow that the game not playable in any meaningful sense of the term until 1.3 came out. Right now the game is still absurdly slow for a lot of people by the time you get to '41. I personally know 5 people that are long term HoI fans and they all have above average to state of the art PCs and none of them are happy with performance. Lots of posters have the same complaint and they tend to dog piled on by PI devotees or have given up on HoI3 so they tend to not post much any more.
The fact the game is still in such a crude state after 3 major patches and a hot fix reflect very poorly on PI's sense of QA. That was exactly the situation prior to 1.3 The mere fact that one can move counters around a map at a snail like speed before you get a CTD does not make for a playable game. That you think so makes me think you are an ideal customer for used car salesmen and land speculators.
In any case, the problems that make HoI3 1.3 not worth playing (although technically playable) are legion. Plenty of people have talked about the sorry state of air and sea combat, a wacky diplomatic system, Shanxi kicking the crap out of Japan, HQ problems, an opaque supply system that drives one to distraction, non cooperative allies, surrender events that are deranged and generally horrid AI. I realize that some people think all of those issues combined with super long load times and snail like speeds after '41 are just fine or they assume that they will be fixed with the purchase of some expansion.
I am not one of those people. I wanted HoI3 to be a better product the HoI2 and it is not and it likely will not ever be so. I don't expect flawless AI or a product that doesn't need to be patched but I do expect something delivers most of what it said it was going to give. If you are happy with less well, then you have what you deserve.
I would buy Arsenal of democracy.
I too though HOI3 would be a panacia for everything.
I think the developers tried to please everybody and in the end missed the target.
Some folks love it, i'm not one of them but i respect those who do,
R
I too though HOI3 would be a panacia for everything.
I think the developers tried to please everybody and in the end missed the target.
Some folks love it, i'm not one of them but i respect those who do,
R
I have a relatively powerful machine (quad core, plenty of ram, 9600GT video) and the game runs reasonably well at this point, though not fast. Even running on max speed, it still takes hours to go from the beginning of the '36 campaign to 1939. I can see how a lot of people find that pretty frustrating.
And the game does still have other issues. Some things have been fixed, but others haven't and it is rather disappointing that this is still the case. Especially now that there is talk of an expansion. A lot of people say wait for 1.4 but we'll have to see. If it fixes half the problems that will be a major improvement, but that will still leave plenty of issues.
So I guess I'm on the "wait" bandwagon. Maybe give the demo a try (it's not optimized and some things have changed but it will give you a sense of what HOI3 is trying to change) and see how you feel.
And the game does still have other issues. Some things have been fixed, but others haven't and it is rather disappointing that this is still the case. Especially now that there is talk of an expansion. A lot of people say wait for 1.4 but we'll have to see. If it fixes half the problems that will be a major improvement, but that will still leave plenty of issues.
So I guess I'm on the "wait" bandwagon. Maybe give the demo a try (it's not optimized and some things have changed but it will give you a sense of what HOI3 is trying to change) and see how you feel.
I agree with all those who advise that you wait.
Do yourself a favor and wait for patch 1.4 release then wait again to see how the majority of people on this forum react to it.
I think part of the problem is most everyone had a 'true love affair' with HOI2 and HOI3 just even didn't come close to expectations. Many of the die-hards still like HOI3 but most of us are just disappointed for numerous reasons.
I for one thinks is lacks the F-U-N factor and have stopped playing it (playing HOI2 again) until I see patch 1.4. But, I believe it will take a expansion disk to really make everything come together, if it's even possible to do so (I believe they tried to do too much). Will I buy an expansion disk? Yes, yes I think I will. Why? Because PI has been trying hard to fix the problems and they realize they have problems and they admit they have problems. They could easily walk away from this game...but they have not. I realize it's a gamble but...
Rick
Do yourself a favor and wait for patch 1.4 release then wait again to see how the majority of people on this forum react to it.
I think part of the problem is most everyone had a 'true love affair' with HOI2 and HOI3 just even didn't come close to expectations. Many of the die-hards still like HOI3 but most of us are just disappointed for numerous reasons.
I for one thinks is lacks the F-U-N factor and have stopped playing it (playing HOI2 again) until I see patch 1.4. But, I believe it will take a expansion disk to really make everything come together, if it's even possible to do so (I believe they tried to do too much). Will I buy an expansion disk? Yes, yes I think I will. Why? Because PI has been trying hard to fix the problems and they realize they have problems and they admit they have problems. They could easily walk away from this game...but they have not. I realize it's a gamble but...
Rick
Yes I will wait and spend the mony on a book or two instad dont tel any at pardox empoyes for what I said
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Bad performance is bothersome but imho an "minor" issue.
The biggest fault in HOI3 is, you never would belief is it the follower of HOI1 and HOI2. After 2 other WWII games PI should know how to make it.
But like in HOI1&2 there are similiar issues/design faults over and over again - and a lot of new ones.
Maybe a nice game for new developers but a total shortcoming for HOI3/PI.
The biggest fault in HOI3 is, you never would belief is it the follower of HOI1 and HOI2. After 2 other WWII games PI should know how to make it.
But like in HOI1&2 there are similiar issues/design faults over and over again - and a lot of new ones.
Maybe a nice game for new developers but a total shortcoming for HOI3/PI.
Yeah, that's what I don't understand either. Some aspects of HOI3 are a welcome step forward (IMHO) but in other areas the game has gone backwards, in some cases to the same problems HOI1 had on release.
Good bye, ferewell, aufwiedersen, adieu!
"Arsenal of Democracy" is the cave in which hardcore strategians will be hiding for next fiew years,untill ,hopefuly, some HOI IV shows after glaciers melting and historical spices start to grow again on its grasslands.
Spend you money for Arsenal of Democracy(HOI II on steroids) ,it will be released in a week.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=462
"Arsenal of Democracy" is the cave in which hardcore strategians will be hiding for next fiew years,untill ,hopefuly, some HOI IV shows after glaciers melting and historical spices start to grow again on its grasslands.
Spend you money for Arsenal of Democracy(HOI II on steroids) ,it will be released in a week.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=462
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