Should I create Portugal?

[Jerzul]

So I am the King of Brittany and I control Ireland and Andulacia (I gained it via a Crusade). I just conquered Beja and now I can create Portugal...should I? What would be the benefit? I'm already King of the aforementioned territories.

Thanks!

 

[grisamentum]

Don't create Portugal. It will do numerous bad things:

1) Dukes in Portugal will "desire the Kingdom of Portugal" for about -20 relations penalty
2) It may impair cultural spread - this has changed so many times in the last few patches I don't really know anymore, but it may mess up your ability to spread your culture in Portugal.
3) You'll have to futz about with different crown and inheritance laws for each territory. If you mess it up at some point, you could lose one kingdom.
4) Portuguese duchies will not drift into de jure Brittany if you have created Portugal - this doesn't matter too much, unless you want to expand the size of Brittany or Francia.

 

[tnick0225]

More prestige for you dynasty is about the only reason I can think of.

 

[unmerged(462833)]

Off course create Portugal... This kingdom is small same as Britanny, so it is worth. And will give You more personal prestige and more dynasty prestige, About culture, this will still influence as normal...

 

[heliostellar]

If you want to acquire more duchy titles, you should hold off on creating the Kingdom. The 3 duchy limit doesn't kick in until you have a higher title, I believe.

 

[Jerzul]

Thanks for all of the responses. So does it effect culture spread or not?

Also, on a side note, should I destroy the title "Duchy of Brittany" now that I am King of Brittany? It's nice for the culture but it gives me a penalty towards my "held duchy" titles.

 

[Heartsbane]

Unless you have some special attachment to Portugal, I wouldn't bother creating it. You will get de jure claims and prestige but that's about it as far as benefits go. Just let the Duchies de jure drift into your primary Kingdom and then create the Titular Kingdom of Portugal title once the drift has completed. I don't see any reason to split your realm by creating another Kingdom and having to deal with the 'desires kingdom' penalty, having to adjust your succession laws to keep your realm intact, and plots.

 

[Lessing]

Don't destroy stuff. Gather all titles you can. Hand out all duchies till you got 2 left. Culture spread doesnt matter. You will, sooner or later, reign over other cultures anyway, so why bother.

Also, it sounds like you never had 2 kingdoms before. Just try it out.

 

[Rozmarzony]

Wait 100 years, then create it without any cons.

 

[Jerzul]

Don't destroy stuff. Gather all titles you can. Hand out all duchies till you got 2 left. Culture spread doesnt matter. You will, sooner or later, reign over other cultures anyway, so why bother.

Also, it sounds like you never had 2 kingdoms before. Just try it out.

Fair enough, but I actually already have three Kingdom titles: Brittany, Ireland, and Andulusia.

Also, will duchies drift if they are not created?

 

[Rozmarzony]

Yes. Only having king title or not having all provinces from specific duchy will cease it.