I noticed that after joining the HRE as the TO that the form Prussia decision will now remove all of my provinces from the empire. Is this intentional if you're a part of the HRE?
Should forming Prussia as the Teutonic Order kick you out of the empire?
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WAD (same thing happens with the Netherlands). To stay in the empire become an elector.
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which involves killing an elector while best buds with the current emperor, and hoping you get the offer.
note: gaming reason is due to you being not an elector, and upgrading to Prussia making you a Kingdom rank nation. Non-elector nations can't be Kingdom rank.
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That's going to be tough while the empire is Catholic. Guess I have to wait until after the league wars are over to change my tag.
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This is historical, kind of.
The HRE DID NOT allow new kings. It DID NOT allow it.
The only thing ahistorical is you should be considered basically a renegade member of the HRE and your territories should remain de-jure HRE territory so the emperor can attack you to regain them.
The HRE DID NOT allow new kings. It DID NOT allow it.
The only thing ahistorical is you should be considered basically a renegade member of the HRE and your territories should remain de-jure HRE territory so the emperor can attack you to regain them.
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Teutons into Prussia does not turn you into a kingdom, therefore they should be allowed to stay.
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I'll have to go quickly check, but (based on my experience as playing Pomerania) forming Prussia makes you kingdom rank.
Not as the TO. TO gets the historical Duchy of Prussia instead, yet it gets kicked out of the HRE anyway.
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I'm assuming you're joining the HRE as the TO, then forming Prussia...
Well, I'd guess that forming a formable nation should make you Kingdom rank (country rank, not government type) but since TO is a Monastic Order it can't change government rank.
Changing to Prussia does make you a Feudal Monarchy though, so I'm not sure what that effects and don't feel like playing enough to join the HRE and form Prussia via cheats.
RIGHTBEFOREBEDEDIT: The only thing I can see is that forming Germany removes the TO from the HRE (despite not being in it...hmm). I'll test it in the morning if nobody tests while i'm asleeping.
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I checked the decision files to switch to Prussia, there is nothing in there about your government rank if you're the Teutonic Order. I just changes you away from a theocracy to a feudal monarchy. The other two versions of the decision (Brandenburg and generic) both give you rank 2.
They should do these decisions the other way around: always let you stay in the empire, but only if you are a elector you get kingdom rank.
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This is probably an oversight since most country formation decisions do turn you into a kingdom and thus give you the boot from the HRE. But as people have said, doesn't really make sense for the duchy of Prussia being kicked out.
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Not with Germany, Italy, or the Netherlands. They're essentially proto-nation-states, directly contradictory to the idea of the HRE.
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At first I didn't like the idea that forming Germany kicks you out but after giving it some thought I've come to understand it. After all, you're basically declaring the German Empire a few (or not so few) centuries in advance. Besides, being the duke of Germany sounds pretty silly.
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Italy and Germany - agreed. Netherlands - nah. (It just so happened to play out that way in real life.)
When forming Germany, I'm not sure I like that HRE can even co-exist.
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They can and they do. And why shouldn't they? Just because they're sort of grabbing at the same justification for existence doesn't mean that one or the other would just pack up and quit.
Since the TEU-specific decision doesn't change gov rank... no it shouldn't. Will fix.
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Forming of duchy of Pruessen was done under Polish rule. So I think that a condition which 'not a subject nation' isn't needed(only for Teutonic order). Any reason for that condition?
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The thing is, the Holy Roman Empire wasn't very Roman at the time either.
I fully agree that their coexistence should be a constant source of tension, forming Germany would be direct insult to the Emperor and his authority, but the game should not outright forbid it.
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The more you know: when the Kingdom of Prussia was established by Friedrick III, the title he acquired was King IN Prussia, and not King OF Prussia. That allowed Prussia to remain in the HRE.
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