Should FEs awaken in every single game?

[mudcrabmerchant]

When I first heard about awakened empires, I thought it was going to be like another kind of end-game crisis - sometimes, those mysterious Fallen Empires will wake up, and the galaxy will get its shit kicked in if it doesn't react fast. The War in Heaven sounded like a rarer but even more cool version of this.

Instead, it's an absolute certainty than all Fallen Empires will awaken, often in the mid game, and if you have two of them, a War in Heaven is very likely. Does anyone else feel like this cheapens the experience? When I look at an FE, it's not as a potentially dangerous unknown variable, it's as something I know I'll have to deal with within a decade of hitting a known fleet power level.

I'd prefer it if it wasn't certain that FEs would awaken on their own. It makes sense for them to regularly awaken if one of them is attacked, or if a proper end-game crisis happens. But even then, a chance of them not awakening would add some variety to the game, and if there was only a small chance of an FE awakening without these specific triggers, Awakened Empires and Wars in Heaven would be more special, memorable experiences.

 

[Slarkon]

Yup totally agree. often the war in heaven happens before the protheon or unbidden, the time should also be more random - could happen 50 years in or even 500 years in to shake up late game.

Ive noticed in really long games even with 4 FA only two will ever wake. -= never 4? could be variations in the size of the war in heaven

 

[TempusxX]

a fallen empire shouldn't have to be attacked just to waken up at all. for me it would ruin my immersion if the only way a fallen empire was to wake up is for it to be attacked and in the dev diary there is 4 ways for a fallen empire to wake up "End Game Crisis threatens the galaxy, Regular empires growing to strong/technologically advanced, Other Fallen Empires being defeated by regular empires, or other fallen empires awakening first.

 

[Jorlem]

Regular empires growing to strong/technologically advanced

This one means that the FEs will inevitably awake in almost every game, as the tech threshold will be passed by someone eventually.

 

[LughC]

I feel really lame now :/ since the update i have only ever gotten one to awaken once and never got a war in heaven. does it take longer for them to wake up than to get strong enough to kill them? that may be my issue

 

[Slarkon]

they should be awake by 2300 - latest 2400 (first FA waking) shortly after a 2nd will wake and few years later war in heven starts - eveyr game i have same format

 

[LughC]

Strange it's 2456 and we have even already had the end game crisis. 3 FE left in the game still sleeping. And really, they can awaken as early as 100 years in 0.o

 

[rcasale]

This one means that the FEs will inevitably awake in almost every game, as the tech threshold will be passed by someone eventually.

Is the tech threshold related to the amount of time passed in game? Because I could imagine a situation where none of the AI empires are efficient enough have enough research to pass the threshold. This would leave it in the hands of the human players, who also may not be that efficient. (In my current play through I'm being more expansionist than usual, and I've let me research fall behind compared to my penalties)

 

[LughC]

Is the tech threshold related to the amount of time passed in game? Because I could imagine a situation where none of the AI empires are efficient enough have enough research to pass the threshold. This would leave it in the hands of the human players, who also may not be that efficient. (In my current play through I'm being more expansionist than usual, and I've let me research fall behind compared to my penalties)

I don't even think that threshold is a guarantee as I almost always go heavy tech

 

[rcasale]

I don't even think that threshold is a guarantee as I almost always go heavy tech

I suppose it could be related specifically to dangerous technology?

 

[LughC]

I suppose it could be related specifically to dangerous technology?

I think it's more it just adds to the "chance" there is probably some background check every so many months/years for each empire. With certain triggers (maybe even just always rising with time as well) the chance for each check to succeed increases. I know the devs said things like.
Attacking a FE
High tech level
Another FE awakening
And
End game crisis
Can all increase the chance of FE awakening

 

[CrazedSeal]

Fallen Empires have several conditions that must be met for them to wake up.
For a normal awakening they require that 100 years have passed, that they are not at war, and that atleast one country has a fleet power of either 40k/50k/60k (Difficulty)
Another way for Fallen Empires to awaken is that they have to be Materialist/Xenophobe and a Crisis occurs.
And the last one is the response to another Fallen Empire awakening to trigger the War in Heaven.

The average time for the fallen empire to awaken is 50 years normally, this is altered by other countries fleet strengths, whether or not a nation controls a Fallen Empire world. A fallen empire world that is controlled by a Non-Fallen Empire nation will drastically reduce the time for a Fallen Empire to awaken.

There is a potential for Fallen Empires to not awaken but of course after 50 years that's not likely.
Hope this helps

 

[LughC]

Fallen Empires have several conditions that must be met for them to wake up.
For a normal awakening they require that 100 years have passed, that they are not at war, and that atleast one country has a fleet power of either 40k/50k/60k (Difficulty)
Another way for Fallen Empires to awaken is that they have to be Materialist/Xenophobe and a Crisis occurs.
And the last one is the response to another Fallen Empire awakening to trigger the War in Heaven.

The average time for the fallen empire to awaken is 50 years normally, this is altered by other countries fleet strengths, whether or not a nation controls a Fallen Empire world. A fallen empire world that is controlled by a Non-Fallen Empire nation will drastically reduce the time for a Fallen Empire to awaken.

There is a potential for Fallen Empires to not awaken but of course after 50 years that's not likely.
Hope this helps

Wait so they need a minimum of 100 years but are likely after 50? And if it is only 50 I'm glad they never seem to wake up for me. 50 years in and my fleets are normally only 12k

 

[CrazedSeal]

Wait so they need a minimum of 100 years but are likely after 50? And if it is only 50 I'm glad they never seem to wake up for me. 50 years in and my fleets are normally only 12k

Yes, they will not awaken unless 100 years have passed.
Once 100 years have passed and the other conditions are met then every year they essentially have a 1/50 chance of awakening.

Even if 100 years have passed, if no other nation has a fleet power of 40k/50k/60k they still won't wake up.