Should Ahistorical nations be added as formable?

[AndreasPhokas]

India needs more nations, something different for the dravidan states and rajputana for the rajputs(CAN THEY GET UNIQUE MODELS! I think the rajputs who are arguably the most militaristic bunch in India alongside the marathas don't have unique models)

edit:a special celtic formible would rock as well! Celtica or something. I would say brythonia but that would only work for the Bretons and welsh.

 

[herrmarisa]

I want a formable Germania.
A union for all germanic peoples. Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Prussia, England, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland and all other.
A huge gray blob with the "G E R M A N I A" letters shown all over Europe. Can you imagine my dream?

Then I want Slavia too.

A union for all Slavic peoples. Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Bohemia, parts of Hungary, parts of Austria, parts of Germany and all other.
A huge light red blob with the "S L A V I A" letters shown all over Eurasia. Can you imagine my dream?

 

[herrmarisa]

India needs more nations, something different for the dravidan states and rajputana for the rajputs(CAN THEY GET UNIQUE MODELS! I think the rajputs who are arguably the most militaristic bunch in India alongside the marathas don't have unique models)

This, also diversify Arabs too.

 

[spinoza013]

Kurdistan

 

[Illianor123]

United IBERIA
CELTIA
Tartar union
Slavic Union
2 Scillies
African Union
United Native Americans

 

[WeissRaben]

I honestly wouldn't dislike the Two Sicilies being in the game. Sicilian culture, own Naples, own Palermo, Admin. tech 20. A more flexible Spain would be nice as well - one should remember that it was originally intended to cover the whole peninsula, before the crack between Spain and Portugal became permanent. What else? Some kind of Balkan superstate - Illyria, by owning Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia, Admin. tech 20. Something interesting for the New World and Africa. And a decision, parallel to the one that allows Manchu to form Qing, to recreate the Yuan with Mongol nations.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Then I want Slavia too.

A union for all Slavic peoples. Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Bohemia, parts of Hungary, parts of Austria, parts of Germany and all other.
A huge light red blob with the "S L A V I A" letters shown all over Eurasia. Can you imagine my dream?

I want Europa, a union of all European peoples

 

[Jeggred86]

Continental Empires would be nice.
You can form a Continental Empire when you own 80% of the provinces of a continent. You will get no new national ideas, you will get all cultures accepted, claims on the remaining 20% provinces. Maybe you can auto-inherit allies / vassals / PUs when you have 190+ relations (like HRE decision).

 

[DrLulz]

As long as they make sure that the AI never forms those countries (which IIRC they already do for some of the existing formable countries (Scandinavia?)), and forming the nations only give symbolic bonuses, they can add any ahistorical country they want to the game. Since nobody who dislikes it, will ever have to look at it (just don't take the decision).

Some of these nations, especially if they have very demanding formation-conditions, could have the nice function of being a goal to strive for - for instance, the Unify Islam decision could be reworked into an actual tag-change to something like "The Grand Caliphate" (if the name sucks, just think of another). And it would be nice for the steppe-hordes to have a union tag ala The Mongol Empire. A formable Pan-Slavic Empire for (you guessed it) slavic nations could also be cool.

EDIT: Just throwing a bunch of ancient empires in to the mix as formeable nations could also be nice, and would at least have a shred of historic feel to them, since rulers have historically liked to legitimate themselves by emphasizing [making up] their connection with the Golden Days of Old. Thus, Babylonia, Assyria, Alexandric Greece, and Pharonic Egypt could be cool as formeable nations.

Normally, I'm all for realism, but here we truly have a case of "if you don't like it, don't form it" - provided the AI is programmed never to take the decision.

 

[Lord Finnish]

Fantasy countries are more of a CK2 thing IMO.

There's some titles that I would want to see but only historical resurrections, not new inventions.
For example: Latin Empire, Assyria (would need a new Assyrian culture + must be Christian), Tamilakam, etc.

 

[Woona]

I think that the whole country formation system should be revised. When one country conquers another, name should not change. But when there is a personal union integrating a lesser partner changes your name and flag. For example, Castile+Aragon=Spain, England+Scotland=Great Britain, Poland+Lithuania=Commonwealth, England+France=something. Forming Germany, Italy and Russia should stay but I always felt that the requirements are too easy for forming them. Maybe one of the requirements for forming Germany should be dismantling HRE?

 

[Krajzen]

United IBERIA

Pointless, Spain had the entire Iberia for 60 years after incorporating Portugal and they didn't rename their country just to idiotically fit geography

CELTIA

Maybe rather Celtica? Anyway, what provinces would it have? Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, Wales, Brittany - very strange. It would never form without human and even human would have to develop in very weird way to get this. Not to mention the fact that this is complete and utter fantasy.

Tartar union

Tartar Union not only sounds lame but it is completely pointless - if particular Eurasian horde was conquering hella lot of land and other hordes, it wasn't renaming/reforming. It was simply Bukhara/Golden Horde/Kazan/whatever.

Anyway, do you really imagine legions of furious steppe warriors naming themselves Tartar Union? This is as much lame and anticlimatic as Hitler naming his country Democratic Republic of Germany

Slavic Union

Because we Slavs have an identity common as f***...

2 Scillies

Two Sicillies*, also it is completely pointless given we have both Naples and Sicily and this country would require nothing but waiting till, for example, tech lvl 20.

African Union

'African Union' appearing in 18th century is as much climatic and making sense as Soviet Union.

United Native Americans

Do you really wanna start a game as cool, exotic sounding tribe such as Huron and rename your country to super bland 'United Native Americans'? Especially since NATIVE AMERICAN is European term, 'America' is European term, and 'native' is European description? It's like creating formable European country which is called 'United Native Europeans'

 

[Lord Finnish]

Pointless, Spain had the entire Iberia for 60 years after incorporating Portugal and they didn't rename their country just to idiotically fit geography

Spain is a geographically accurate term anyway. As we all know Spain comes from Hispania which did include all of Iberia.

 

[WKIII]

Then I want Slavia too.

A union for all Slavic peoples. Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Bohemia, parts of Hungary, parts of Austria, parts of Germany and all other.
A huge light red blob with the "S L A V I A" letters shown all over Eurasia. Can you imagine my dream?

Haha.
Then Germania Magna is my "historical" go. What's yours? lel.
I really like your humor by the way.

 

[firecage]

scotland into GB shouldnt just be the same as england into GB

But....technically historically Scotland formed Great Britain due to being the senior partner in a personal union.

Also. What about these?

1. Macedonian Empire/Macedon. As an alternative to forming Greece.

2. Anglo-Frankish Commonwealth

3. Mongol Empire. (Well, Timurids would probably form it easily...)

 

[Illianor123]

Pointless, Spain had the entire Iberia for 60 years after incorporating Portugal and they didn't rename their country just to idiotically fit geography
Maybe rather Celtica? Anyway, what provinces would it have? Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, Wales, Brittany - very strange. It would never form without human and even human would have to develop in very weird way to get this. Not to mention the fact that this is complete and utter fantasy.
Tartar Union not only sounds lame but it is completely pointless - if particular Eurasian horde was conquering hella lot of land and other hordes, it wasn't renaming/reforming. It was simply Bukhara/Golden Horde/Kazan/whatever.
Anyway, do you really imagine legions of furious steppe warriors naming themselves Tartar Union? This is as much lame and anticlimatic as Hitler naming his country Democratic Republic of Germany
Because we Slavs have an identity common as f***...
Two Sicillies*, also it is completely pointless given we have both Naples and Sicily and this country would require nothing but waiting till, for example, tech lvl 20.
'African Union' appearing in 18th century is as much climatic and making sense as Soviet Union.
Do you really wanna start a game as cool, exotic sounding tribe such as Huron and rename your country to super bland 'United Native Americans'? Especially since NATIVE AMERICAN is European term, 'America' is European term, and 'native' is European description? It's like creating formable European country which is called 'United Native Europeans'

They weren't necessarily all names, but the idea for it.

 

[PiriReis]

- Two Sicilies would be nice as counterweight to Sardinia-Piedmont.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Naturally there should be an Imperium of Man for you to form once you've conquered enough of the world.

 

[dav77-b]

I think they should remove the option to form germany if the Reich still exists...

North-Sea-Empire: England+Denmark+Norway
Nordic Empire: NSE+Sweden+Balitkum+Netherlands,+Northgermany

Iberia:Spain+Portugal

And is there a unification opition for hordes?!!

 

[Nunn45]

I wouldn't mind seeing some regional/continental based nation formations, taking over the entirety of Western Africa or All of Europe for example, tags for players to achieve that the AI will never get to.