Shia Holy Order - Forming

[Ffc]

Hi everyone, I read every single thread about this Holy Order but I still don't understand.

According to the wiki, we need those conditions :

• Year is at least 1089
• and Alamut holding has no holder
• and Dailam province has fewer than 5 settlements

I actually don't understand what "Alamut holding has no holder"

How can this province have no holder? What does it mean? How can I remove the holder?

Do we need a DLC?

I tried differents things but I can't form them.
When you start the game in 1190, the order is already created and everything is fine.

But when you start in 1189 and just wait few years, the order doesn't spawn.
It probably means that the conditions aren't met.

Please help me !

PS : Sorry for my bad english, I'm doing my best

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Apparently a bug.

Hi everyone, I read every single thread about this Holy Order but I still don't understand.

According to the wiki, we need those conditions :

• Year is at least 1089
• and Alamut holding has no holder
• and Dailam province has fewer than 5 settlements

I actually don't understand what "Alamut holding has no holder"

Interesting oversight/bug caused by the map rework of that area in 2.8.

Alamut used to be only a potential temple that could be build in the county of Dailam/Daylam.
The temple obviously had no holder, if it wasn't build already.
There was also no county of the same name.

Now, since patch 2.8, b_alamut is a castle as county capital in the county with that name
and Dailam has no b_alamut (the aforementioned temple) in landed_titles anymore, as it used to have until and including patch 2.72.

As capital holding of the county of Alamut b_alamut always has a holder and the event can't fire.
Seems you found a bug.

Please tell me if you want to report the bug yourself or if i shall do it.

 

[Ffc]

Oh, I understand.
Well, I could have tried things during few days for nothing.

For the report, I don't know how to do it, it would be very kind if you could.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Oh, I understand.
Well, I could have tried things during few days for nothing.

For the report, I don't know how to do it, it would be very kind if you could.

There is always a first time and for a while ago there is already a more or less self-explanatory
form one just needs to fill in, but i'll do it then for now.
Alright.

I'll link the report after i'd done it.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Oh, I understand.
Well, I could have tried things during few days for nothing.

For the report, I don't know how to do it, it would be very kind if you could.

I hope i didn't express my self too unclear or irritating in the report.

See:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-for-b_alamut-always-having-a-holder.1114251/

 

[Ffc]

It looks pretty clear, thanks.