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Impressive work as always. Given that this is the start of the badboy wars and the fact that you have loans that need repaying you are faced with an interesting choice. Can you afford to weaken the military in order to fund reconstruction?

As someone without EU3 a question does come to mind. Your empire is long and thin. If during a war you lose a province that isolates elements of your empire do you then suffer the 50% tax penalty? Or does that not take effect until the peace resolution.

Anyway, no pressure Rens but I hope you get this AAR finished in time to devote complete attention to your forthcoming Rome one. (wishful thinking?)
 

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Impressive the way you wrapped up the two wars. The four provinces will not have done too much good for your reputation even with all those artists. Austria has to wait until the truce runs out before it can try again. That and make peace with Poland.

A few years of peace would be what Milan needs. It'll probably get Algeria and the alliance of Burgundy-Castille and Austria up in its face.
 

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Finally, victory! Not bad, lets see, the scorecard please...1 province from Mecklenburg, 1 province from Portugal, 1 province from Poland, and 3 provinces from France. 6 total, not bad. And Milan's power grows! Feared to say the least.

What's your BB, and how long do you think peace will last.
 

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grayghost said:
Finally, victory! Not bad, lets see, the scorecard please...1 province from Mecklenburg, 1 province from Portugal, 1 province from Poland, and 3 provinces from France. 6 total, not bad. And Milan's power grows! Feared to say the least.
Actually... I think it was 3 provinces from Portugal, if you count the 2 colonial provinces which became mine automatically, without need for a peace treaty. So that's 8 provinces total!

There's a name for a number that high: A Massimillian!!! :D

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Actually... I think it was 3 provinces from Portugal, if you count the 2 colonial provinces which became mine automatically, without need for a peace treaty. So that's 8 provinces total! :D

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I actually wondered about that, but wasn't sure how the colonial thing worked out. 8 is even better. ;)
 

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Gokufan said:
Great AAR but... why Poland :(

Now you must to alliance with Poland and destroy Austria and Turks :p

Poland declared war on him, not the other way around.
 

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A quick comment to our not one, not two, but three recent new readers... I always enjoy hearing from new posters!

Tricky Lady said:
Just adding a quick comment to say that this AAR really got me into EU3. I really like your style, short but descriptive enough to be drawn into the story.

I guess your wars with France and Poland will end well - I can't imagine myself doing it (yet). I suppose such a war with me playing Milan would end in a huge disaster ...
Thank you, Tricky Lady! And Welcome!

Gokufan said:
Great AAR but... why Poland :(

Now you must to alliance with Poland and destroy Austria and Turks :p
Welcome, Gokufan!

Actually, early on what you suggest was my plan. I was even in alliance with Poland for a while. But things happened, and they wandered away from me, and eventually declared war on me. Besides, they were occupying some of the land I wanted! ;)

But an alliance against the Austrians/Turks may still happen... I'll let you in on a secret, that one of the countries I've recently been at war with becomes an ally in the not-so-distant future.... :D

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Impressive work as always. Given that this is the start of the badboy wars and the fact that you have loans that need repaying you are faced with an interesting choice. Can you afford to weaken the military in order to fund reconstruction?

As someone without EU3 a question does come to mind. Your empire is long and thin. If during a war you lose a province that isolates elements of your empire do you then suffer the 50% tax penalty? Or does that not take effect until the peace resolution.

Anyway, no pressure Rens but I hope you get this AAR finished in time to devote complete attention to your forthcoming Rome one. (wishful thinking?)
Thank you! -- Welcome, ScouseJedi! Glad you were able to finish, after first finishing Fire Warms the Northern Lands, which is a much more impressive feat (much longer, much more detailed, for Vicky)! Yes, I'm quite worried about those loans I've taken out. I eventually find that they constitute a rather large portion of my budget (the interest on the loans!), because I already had one loan (I think) from back when I went bankrupt which I had to carry over at high interest, so the new loans were also at high interest!!!

To your second question, I honestly don't know the answer! I'll have to check on that (the isolation of provinces due to enemy control).

And, yes, I will be doing a Rome AAR, though I don't know for sure what format I will use. Rome will be more character-driven, so it may be not so much gameplay, and... Oh, I don't know. I don't have time to do a character-driven AAR right now. I will have one, though -- rest assured! :D I don't think there's any chance of finishing this before I start another, though... I'll just have to keep both updated!

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Peace with France at long last, great news :) You have won a great victory, but it was a bloody war and you will need many years to rebuild your forces. But there is no time for that now as the bastards in Poland are still fighting on, you must destroy them also as quickly as possible and then get back to peace before anyone else decided to declare war on you…
 

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Now that was a long, dragged-out, dirty war. COOL! Now, for the 3 months of peace that the bad boys (you're not the bad boy, THEY are! :D ), I recommend paying off all loans, rebuilding your military, improving your economy, and...er...nevermind. That might take more than three months.
 

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this is my first post on this AAR, however i have followed this for a long time, not sure how long however. All i can really say is nice empire! Hmmmm shame you can't convert into vicky.
 

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Those are large gains you've made. France is weakened as a result and will in a next war pose less of a threat to the German corridor which by now is growing to sizeable holdings instead of just a corridor.
Your manpower of 5k at the end was to close for comfort. Surely the French had to have these problems too, but after the time at which it seemed France was collapsing they continued to put up quite a fight with large armies.
Just for interest, what is your financial situation now? How much are your monthly expenses on loan-interest?What is your warexhaustion after this long long war?

Good luck with rebuilding your armies and economy and of course merry Christmas :)
 

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When Milan was finally at peace again, Manpower was down to… 5,000 men!!! (ignore this first screenshot’s manpower listing – that’s an old screenshot). On a side note (and quite insignificant, compared to all the happenings of the last years), pirates showed up in the East Indies, to feed off our colonies – steps would be taken, in time.

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The economy remained weak, held down by the war exhaustion, revolts, and stability issues. Census taxes were down, in the new year (this was months ago, but it seemed a waste to go into it during the war). Interest from all the loans was not helpful. Other indicators were up slightly, in most cases.

Income1577.jpg


Ally Siena, strangely, found the temerity to “warn” Milan against further expansion (after having assisted in building our empire!).

Silly.jpg


This would muddy the character of relations between Milan and Siena, strengthening the voice of those in the Empire who had always considered Siena an annoyance…

Despite her earlier betrayal, England was considered a valuable enough ally that, when she came knocking…

EnglishAlliance.jpg


It was time to begin strengthening Imperial defenses, wherever our outposts were threatened by isolation. A new, stronger, fort was built in Crete, which had long been considered a possible staging area for invasions into the Holy Land, where on a fateful evening nearly 1600 years before, Christ had been born… (what timing, eh?)

CapeCrete.jpg


The colonies in the Moluccas were still developing, but concerted effort had finally built Cape Colony to sufficient status to became a way station for a small Imperial naval squadron…

The war exhaustion had caused increased risk of revolt (up to 19% in some places), which caught fire in Northern Africa in mid-1579.

AlgerianRevolt.jpg


The Imperial naval squadron mentioned earlier was actually en-route (with troops!) to the Moluccas. It was quite a stretch, from Cape Colony to Flores Island, in the East Indies, and the ships – a flyte, and a captured pirate ship – barely made it into port! Note the nearby pirate ship, too.

NearlyLost.jpg


Then, poor France suffered a Badboy war! lol Burgundy, Castille and Lithuania against France and all her vassals…

GangOnFrance.jpg


Not like Castille or Lithuania are likely to get troops into the theatre – we’re kind of in the way! Maybe they’ll ask for military access…

Check out our Badboy! A year-and-a-half after the end of the war, and after seizing 8 provinces in peace negotiations (spread out over several years for some of those…), we’re actually down to only 4.7 over our Badboy threshold! It’s 38.7 versus a threshold of 34 (and that’s Massimiliano’s – many of our previous rulers had a threshold of 37).

Badboy1580.jpg


The reason, of course, is all those Diplomats we have in our advisor court. By a constant, inexorable reduction in tensions, they’re actually helping keep our Badboy down! We did, also, tend to take provinces in negotiations which we had a Core on. Not all, but some.

By 1580, a better picture of our economy can be seen. Without the distortions of War Taxes, you can see how really depressed our economy is. Taxation and Census Taxes are really down. Production, however, and Gold Income, are steadily increasing, though! More stability will improve things more. We’ll see…

Income1580a.jpg


And, of course… Merry Christmas!


p.s. - Among the things that got deleted in my computer crash is something Chief Ragusa reminds me of... I had a long monologue, which I'm not going to attempt to repeat, about the silliness of Siena warning us not to attack any of her neighbors... WE ARE her only neighbor! lol Milan solemnly promised not to attack itself. No such guarantee for Siena, however...
 
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Wonderful to see that you have taken steps to strengthen and secure the empire. Also it was very funny to see that France also suffers from BB and if you can continue this period of peace a little longer I think that France might actually become even more hated than you are… ;)
Oh and Merry Christmas!
 

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What? The French become hated? Surely not? Such a shame Castille, Burgundy and Lithuania chose to fight France rather than Milan.

You can get to Lithuania can't you? Just in case, you understand.

Silly Sienese warning Milan against going to war with its neighbours. Milan is quite too exhausted to pick a fight with anyone and two; it has fought all its neighbours in the recent past.
 
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Classic AI behaviour DOWing France - kick'em while they're down.

Why not we do it don't we :)

Where you actually trying to get back under the BB limit at this point?
 

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Excellent news on the Badboy!

...do you have Deus Vult as a National Idea, when time comes to 'liberate' the Holy Land? I cannot remember if that NI inhibits BB from provinces ripped from other religions, or if you have it. If both on yes, then let's buildbuilbuild! And then it's off to see the Dead Sea! Assuming, of course, that France gets sufficiently spanked by Burgundy and yet doesn't grow too strong itself. Wee hee!
 

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Excellent news on ending the war versus France on a high note. I wouldnt be too thrilled with France suffering badboy just yet.. though it will keep her busy I wouldn't expect much of a change in territory.
 

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At the beginning of 1580, we got a major event – A centralization option, which Massimiliano, of course, would be all for. Two movements toward Centralization, without any associated stability hit, is nothing to sneeze at!

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I lost my notes on this, in “The Great Zorching!”, but I’m pretty sure I accepted the 500 cost, which would explain the loan in the next graphic, coming due Feb 1 1585. I honestly remember being conflicted on this, as that’s a lot of money. But I also remember thinking “this is what Massimiliano would do!”

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Yes, that’s a lot of loans! Again, I lost my notes on this, but as I recall, I was able to pay off two of the three loans which came due in 1580 simply by ratcheting up my minting and letting it produce money (and inflation!). The Milanese economy may be hurting, but it’s not dead, and there’s a lot of potential there, which can be demonstrated by 70+ ducat months, just from minting. The third loan was carried over into 1585 (that means 2 due, then). The two loans paid off mean 70 ducats less expenses (interest) per year.

BurgundyFrance.jpg


In other news… France was stomping on Burgundy! Yes, that’s Burgundy’s capital under French control, there, in the south. Was this the same France we’d just beaten into the ground?!!!

Meanwhile, Emperor Massimiliano was morose, because at Stability -3 he was unable to declare war upon any of his hated enemies. But, he would find, that didn’t really mean he couldn’t have fun…

PitifulShow.jpg


Why a 1-province minor would choose to declare war upon the largest empire in the world, one will never know. Perhaps they were just trying to cheer the Emperor up. But it happened, nonetheless, and the Milanese armies stretched, and got moving.

Notice, also, that Poland continued to suffer at the hands of the Austrians, though they did seem to have made an advance into Moravia. France had added to her conquests of Burgundian provinces.

In Bavaria…. CHOMP!!!

MuchenOurs.jpg


The war, as you can imagine, went quickly. Bavaria becomes part of the growing Milanese Empire.

At Stability -3, there was absolutely no reason not to take advantage of an opportunity to make cultural changes – couldn’t get any worse, right? We choose to slide in the direction of higher quality – more expense, but for better military units, better fire stats, and higher morale.

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In war with France, the Burgundians were really getting savaged. I guess we hadn’t completely defeated the French armies! Burgundy obviously didn’t have enough troops to reduce the many 1/10th strength units we’d left scattered around the countryside, and these units surely were able to recover into full-strength monster armies. France remained, it seems, a powerful country.

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…and would grow more dangerous with the addition of three new Burgundian provinces!

Thankfully, French attempts to expand into the East Indies fell short. The Moro tribesmen massacred their colonists, and it would be some time before the French returned to try again. The British, however, had moved into an island nearby to one of the two Milanese colonies. And Mecklenburg still held her toehold in the region.

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Things were starting to liven up, as Europeans ventured tentatively into the East Indian islands.

Austria apparently either decided that things were too evenly matched between her and Poland, or that it wasn’t worth continuing to make more of her conquests. Their war ended in a White Peace.

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By the end of 1582, Milan’s stability finally increased. This meant improvements to the economy…

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…and Emperor Massimiliano contemplated what other good could come from this…