Several naming issues

[Denniss]

While testing the game as Germany I found several model naimng issues, especially for german aircraft.
I'll list them only once, other nations having using these modles may also be affected.

Currently the format used is Messershmitt Me-262 or Bf.109t. Both formats are incorrect, the correct naming format would be Messerschmitt Bf 109 or Messerschmitt Bf 109E or Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-3 (depending of how much subversion detail is used).

The Bf 109F is somewhere called Fritz or Franz but according to the spoken alphabet used by the Wehrmacht/Luftwaffe this has to be Friedrich.

I suggest to remove aircraft nicknames from foreign customers or replace them with their local nickname (if existing). I don't think the Hungarians use german or italian nicknames for their aircraft. The italians for example named the Ju 87

The german in-production cruiser "Graf Spee" needs to be renamed to "Admiral Graf Spee"

from models.csv:
MODEL_GER_13_9;Lippish Li.P13a
-> constructor name is Lippisch, project designation was P.13, correct name would be Lippisch P.13

MODEL_GER_13_7;Heinkel He-162 Salamander
-> Salamander was only the project name during development, production aircraft were called "Spatz" bei Heinkel, officials from RLM forced them to use "Volksjäger".

MODEL_GER_5_5;PzKpfw.VF Panther II
MODEL_HUN_5_5;PzKpfw.VF Panther II
-> the Panzerkampfwagen Panther Ausführung F was not the Panther II, it was a slightly modified Panther chassis with a new "Schmalturm" turret (looking similar to the one used by the Tiger II). It had improved armor and it was planned to use the long 88mm gun of the Tiger II as optional upgrade.

MODEL_GER_12_4;Go-229
BRIG_MODEL_GER_15_4;Gotha Go-229
-> completely wrong designation, use either the deveopment designation of Horten Ho.IX or the RLM designation Horten Ho 229, the aircraft would have been named by the constructers and not by the factory it was to be assembled in.

MODEL_GER_15_0;Junkers Ju-52
-> please use Junkers Ju 52/3m (3m = 3 Motoren = 3 engines)as this was the orrect designation, the original Ju 52 with only one engine had a very short life and was retroactively renamed Ju 52/1m

MODEL_GER_16_3;Junkers Ju-287 EF-140
-> Junkers Ju 287 would be enough here, the progect designation EF.140 is not needed as it had already the RLM number 287 assigned.

MODEL_GER_25_6;Lutjens-class
-> Lütjens-class

MODEL_GER_20_1;V2A9
-> should be renamed V2A4b, the A4b was an enlarged version of the A4 with more range, A9 was only used for future plans using the A10 as launch and initial accelerator component and an improved A4b (named A9) as ballistic missicle with large warhead. This V2 was named A9/A10 during development.

BRIG_MODEL_GER_6_2;Hetzer
->Official name was Jagdpanzer 38(t), Hetzer was to be used for the improved version Jagdpanzer 38(d) (lengthened, widened, stronger engine, probably a larger gun). At best was Hetzer something unofficially used.

BRIG_MODEL_GER_8_2;PzKpfw.VIB Konigstiger
-> Either Königstiger or Tiger II

BRIG_MODEL_GER_10_0;SdKfz-231
-> Sd.Kfz. 231

BRIG_MODEL_GER_14_4;Me.155 / Ju.87C Stuka
-> The Me 155 may be a little early but either in this brigade modle or one later the Ju 87C should be replaced with the Ju 87T (navalized version of the Ju 87D).


MODEL_ITA_17_1;Junkers Ju.87D Picchiarello
-> Correct name is "Picchiatello"

MODEL_ITA_13_3;Reggiane RE.2001
-> Re.2001 (second letter lowercase)

MODEL_ITA_4_2;L.6/40 (and similar italian tanks)
-> I do not see any source supporting this naming, should be L6/40 or M15/42 etc

MODEL_ITA_13_8;Fiat G-91R
-> Fiat G.91

MODEL_JAP_13_2;Nakajima Ki-43 Haybusa
-> Hayabusa

MODEL_JAP_16_1;Mitsubishi G4M Ishikkiro
-> Do you have a source for this name? Should be either nothing or Hamaki.

BRIG_MODEL_JAP_14_2;A5M Claude / D1A2 Susie / B2M1
BRIG_MODEL_JAP_14_3;A6M2 Reisen / D3A1 Val / B5N1 Kate
-> Please do not use allied codenames like Claude, Susie, Val or Kate, the D3A may have been named "Kanbaku", no local name for the others known (at least from my side)

BRIG_MODEL_JAP_14_7;A7M2 Reppu / B7A2;
-> The B7 was called "Ryusei"

MODEL_CZE_13_0;Avia B.534 (and similar Avia aircraft)
-> Avia used a "-" as separator, only Aero used a "." as separator. Avia B-534 would be the correct name.

Sparviero;SIAI-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero
-> Should be Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 but without the italian nickname

MODEL_USA_17_0;Douglas A-24
-> The army version of the SBD Dauntless was called A-24 Banshee

MODEL_USA_17_1;Curtiss A-25
-> the army version of the SB2C Helldiver was to be called A-25 Shrike

MODEL_USA_18_1;Douglas C-47 Dakota
-> US naming was C-47 Skytrain, Dakota was the RAF name for it.

EDIT: Uploaded a new version for 1.06A2 with some minor fixes and the shifted line in translation of japanese models fixed
EDIT December 11 2010: Uploaded a new file with errors fixed, thanks to Fürstbischof for finding these.
EDIT December 21 2010: Uploaded a new file with typo fixed and forgotten Nürnberg-class to Leipzig-class change.
EDIT January 30, 2011: New version uploaded to the last post.

 

[Denniss]

Some more:

MODEL_AUS_5_7;SK105 Kurussier
->SK-105 Kürassier

MODEL_BRA_15_0;Boeing B-18A Bolo
-> Douglas B-18A Bolo

MODEL_BRA_15_3;Boeing B-25D
-> North American B-25D

MODEL_NZL_17_1;Bell P-39 Aircobra
-> P-39 Airacobra

BRIG_MODEL_GER_15_5;Horton Ho.XIIIb
-> Horten

BRIG_MODEL_ITA_10_0;Autoblinda AB.40
BRIG_MODEL_ITA_10_0;Autoblinda AB.43
-> Autoblinda AB40, Autoblinda AB43

 

[Titan79]

Nice. Could you then update the models.csv file and post it here? This way the devs might add it to the first patch for AoD.

 

[Denniss]

Not the final version, I forgot the P-39 and I found another problem with the B-66. But most reported should be fixed.

- second version with P-39 and B-66 fixed
EDIT: outdated file removed

 

[Titan79]

I suppose you've checked the whole file, then? And that, for what you've seen, everything is ok now?

 

[Denniss]

I suppose you've checked the whole file, then? And that, for what you've seen, everything is ok now?

Yes, the whole file was checked. I believe I got all reported errors.
Some cross-checking from other users appreciated.

 

[Denniss]

These corrections were not included in 1.03. I really hope the devs will take a look at it and include it with 1.04.

 

[Titan79]

These corrections were not included in 1.03. I really hope the devs will take a look at it and include it with 1.04.

Agreed.

 

[x260bm]

I am unsure about the special characters. If I remember correctly they caused problems in the past.

 

[DJSixthSense]

The Me 155 may be a little early but either in this brigade modle or one later the Ju 87C should be replaced with the Ju 87T (navalized version of the Ju 87D).

The BV 155 was a Blohm & Voss-product, had it been officially in use and in serial production. It was designed by Willy Messerschmitt but the development was to be completed, and it was to be built, by B&V.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_&_Voss_BV_155

Also I don't think it was a little early (in CAG duty, in the game) but the Germans just came up with modern high altitude fighters relatively late, around 09-'44. If the war situation would have developed in their advantage (e.g. if the USSR had collapsed) it would have been feasible they would have designed up to date fighters much earlier because they would have the IC to build stuff like that, instead of focussing on mass production of proven models like the Bf 109K.

 

[Denniss]

Those naming errors are not fixed in 1.04.
Should be easy to integrate and should not brake anything unless something really odd happens.

 

[bestmajor]

i talked to wyk1ng- about these issues (Umlauts ä/ü/ö). AFAIK theres absolutely no problem in the text files with that. the problems came with those letters in the pic titles for some asian players.

so adding those letters in the text files is ok i think as they have been always there.

 

[Titan79]

i talked to wyk1ng- about these issues (Umlauts ä/ü/ö). AFAIK theres absolutely no problem in the text files with that. the problems came with those letters in the pic titles for some asian players.

so adding those letters in the text files is ok i think as they have been always there.

Yes, confirmed. Been modding some names myself and the Umlaut gives no problem at all.

 

[Denniss]

I have to bump this thread up as all those wrong names seem to be unchanged as of 1.05 Beta 4.
I searched for B-25 and the first hit was a "Boeing" B-25 Mitchell .......

At least one new error was integrated:

MODEL_GER_12_4;Messerschmitt Me P.1099;Go-229;Go-229;Go-229;Go-229;Go-229;;Go-229;;;x

 

[Mjarr]

it would have been feasible they would have designed up to date fighters much earlier because they would have the IC to build stuff like that, instead of focussing on mass production of proven models like the Bf 109K.

Since when Bf-109 high altitude performance was poor? What was problem with high altitude flight regarding bomber stream was more related due relative lack of armanent rather than poor performance. FW-190 was another story as until later models (A8 and so) the plane suffered serious lack of performance above 6000m+. Bf-109K actually had greater top speed with methanol injection than P-51D had with WEP on when on around 7km altitude despite the fact such diffrence is just rather insignificant trivia. Even before Kürfürst the plane always had good all-around performance, even on higher altitudes.

 

[Lennartos]

I have just been made aware of this thread - seems i was blind on that eye

I have downloaded the models.zip from the forum(the other was removed) - will it still be correct for 105RC3?

 

[Denniss]

I have just been made aware of this thread - seems i was blind on that eye

I have downloaded the models.zip from the forum(the other was removed) - will it still be correct for 105RC3?

If you did not change any model names in the patches after March 2010 then it could be applied to 1.05RC3. Otherwise either you have to compare the two files or I'll have to redo it based on the 1.05RC3 version.

 

[Denniss]

Attached a version based on 1.05 RC3.

Please have a look at the japanese division model list, almost in every section the last entry is wrong, model of the line above or below.

 

[Fürstbischof]

Attached a version based on 1.05 RC3.

Please have a look at the japanese division model list, almost in every section the last entry is wrong, model of the line above or below.

Have your fixes actually been included in the 1.05 patch?

 

[Fürstbischof]

Have your fixes actually been included in the 1.05 patch?

It seems that we've to wait for v1.06 ...