By 1908 the game would be slowing enough that you'd pretty much have had to get AHD or stop playing. (peaceful is just about possible to 1935 with 1.4, but wars aren't)
You'll have a position that's impossible to get via starting in AHD. The social and economic side of the game is a lot more straitjacketed. Research is quite a lot faster. China isn't unified until it westernises. Generals breed like flies.
The Chinese wouldl have been attriting but you won't see the stack go down until its POPs have shrunk enough to slow reinforcement. Unless there is bonus attrition from nasty terrain or high level forts, reinforcement will keep up with the drain. You need mountain, desert and high level forts to see serious attrition from a stationary stack, or get them to chase you so they take moving as well as month end attrition.
I'm actually getting some serious slowing down AFTER the upgrade -- more than before the upgrade. Still getting used to the jitteryness.
You're right about the changes. Research is really fast in AHD, and I have a bunch of useless generals now!

I'm suspicious about the situation with attrition, though -- I remember situations where my stacks would lose numbers to attrition, and the Chinese stacks just shrugged off the first of the month without any changes.
Thanks Ren!
A thoroughly enjoyable read! Keep up the good work.
Im going to try Japan too though using the new nations mod (it splits japan into factions initially Imperial Japan along with some other houses owning portions of japan, all as puppets of the Shogunate). Im going to try re-unit japan under imperial rule before dismembering Korea from japan. It looks like japanese history can be replayed with a little more depth

very exciting!
Welcome, BPM! Thanks! I really appreciate it. Sorry I didn't welcome you before the update.
Hope you enjoy playing Japan -- it's a fun country! Would be interesting without unification. Hope you'll let us know how it goes!
those chinese losses are simply nightmarish. Do you have an idea of their remaining manpower? All I have to say is: Tiger beats Dragon. Time to finish their continued annoyance once and for all.
I know! I can hardly imagine. I'm not sure I can check manpower or anything like that -- the figures don't make sense to me. China at the time of the last update had a population of 109 million, of which 4.1 million were soldiers <<heartstops>>. Earlier dates still showed 109 million total population, but smaller numbers of soldiers. I don't remember them mobilizing, so... Not sure what's going on.
It's fun watching your prestige sliding back and forth as you win and lose battles. That you actually ended the update with five points less than you started with seems to prove MorningSIDEr's hypothesis that throwing your men away recklessly is seen as the surest sign of true greatness in the eyes of the world.
Well put - that is interesting. Many more battles "won," like China won them, might put them in their grave.
China needs to learn the proper alternative to massacres isn't white peace.
With 4 million soldiers, I'm not sure they need advice like that. Wow.
Could give Formosa
For they are on an island
Far from sad real life
They'll be excited to join the Japanese Empire, don't you think?
Long before great war
honor was gained attacking
warscore don't matter.
I wish I didn't need twice the province value in warscore before they'll deal...
Only one thing to say:
Probably not as poetic as other comments, though.
That's hilarious! How is it I've never, in my life, heard of this group? Thanks! They sure do have that recognizable '80s sound!
yeah, well, if Japan is not careful who's toes they step on, they will be singing "Hail to England" before they know it
Heh, funny you should mention that... :rollseyes: (gameplay surprise, last night)
What on earth was that? Japanese, obviously...
no, I meant
[video=youtube;TCDgmtLjrvo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDgmtLjrvo[/video]
Funny!
Thanks. I went back to fantasy for this one. It features Dalacroy and Moirya, characters I introduced in my very first sale, The Marsh God. This will be their sixth appearance in print.
This is a fascinating war. China keeps raising troops and sending them into the meat grinder. If the Chinese opponent was human, as opposed to AI, would they have sued for peace earlier, or would they have stuck it out as a matter of pride? (notwithstanding the fact a human opponent would have tackled the war differently, I'm sure). Also, what happened at Port Arthur? I was a little surprised, the Japanese had more troops.
Excellent! Congratulations again! I remember The Marsh God -- I'll have to catch up on your other writings one of these days. I've dedicated my reading time during breaks at work to finally finishing both of Director's HistoryPark stories -- I finished
Who Wants to be Napoleon, which was magnificent, and I'm about a quarter of the way through
Here There Be Dragons now. There's so much great writing here (and outside, in your case) that I've never had time to really sit down and read, and I'm determined to give it a go and finally finish these things I've wanted to read for years.
Thanks, about the war! I think the AI must have simply concluded China wars best when it throws everything it has at an enemy. It sure seemed to have worn me down, each time, so it's working on some level. Makes me not want to really go against them -- kind of like those bright colors in nature that signal "Don't mess with me!"
Port Arthur, the first time, was a large Japanese army that had already gone through the meatgrinder at Mukden, which was a huge battle. When I gave up and retreated from Mukden, it was like a stirred antpile -- Chinese armies spread everywhichway. A couple of their armies went to Korea. Another Chinese army (a fresh one) went to Port Arthur, and got me there. But the second battle at Port Arthur, the Chinese were no longer fresh, and I won by attacking their ravaged remnants.
I wonder when China will learn the lesson NOT to send your troops against a dug-in, technologically superior enemy. You think the country that Sun Tzu came from would use his tactics, but apparently not. Well, just take a lot of states this time, and they won't have such a large army (hopefully).
No kidding! Course that's about all they fight, so to be fair... Sun Tzu's tactics seem to be beyond the AI, unfortunately. Would be nice if they could be programmed in and have them taken into account. THAT would be a fun AI!
Indeed. I despair that I may have to feed my poor armies to China over and over... I do solve that little problem, for a little while....
Hey, thanks, everybody, for your comments! This last week has been a whirlwind, but I've begun working on the next update, and I still hope to be able to finish it and post it in 12-24 hours. Real epic stuff coming up!
Any new (or old) lurkers out there want to say hi, in the meantime?
Be back with you soon...
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