hmmm. Tough spot being at war with those two as japan. been there a few times myself. and in regards to the Samurai avatars, i'm 90% sure they are like that forever. One of the countries with custom army sprites is Japan i believe.
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Great AAR, Pleasure to read. Look forward to more!
One question, what is the decision that seems to have been available for years?
One question, what is the decision that seems to have been available for years?
Congrats on your victory over the Bear. It may not be what you expected, but given the manpower discrepancy (and machine guns) your generals did very well. Not to mention the reverse-banzai attacks the enemy kept launching into your well defended positions. Now go git the Chin.
Very good results against the Russians. The casualties that the Japanese are inflicting must have the Emperor feeling pretty confident his country's ability to wage war. Any plans to use the newly freed up troops to expand the war with China? Perhaps a naval invasion of some sort?
Excellent outcome securing Sakhalin, even if the Kuriles proved too difficult to demand...
It doesn't seem like there is a lot more to be gained (apart from securing the Kuriles at some point) with anymore warring with Russia though.
Besides humbling China and tearing off some prizes, maybe it is time to be expanding your interests to SE Asia for the future glory of Japan?
It doesn't seem like there is a lot more to be gained (apart from securing the Kuriles at some point) with anymore warring with Russia though.
Besides humbling China and tearing off some prizes, maybe it is time to be expanding your interests to SE Asia for the future glory of Japan?
A small gain with russia so that a larger gain against china may be secured. I personally think that, roleplay-wise, you should have done a deal with china and kept beating up russia. But either way, best of luck and hope you don't run out of bullets.
Also, I'm not much of a warmonger in Vicky 2 so don't really know much about combat; aren't you having problems with soldier pop numbers since you are losing so many troops? Is this likely to hamstring future efforts or do the pops not actually die in this game?
Also, I'm not much of a warmonger in Vicky 2 so don't really know much about combat; aren't you having problems with soldier pop numbers since you are losing so many troops? Is this likely to hamstring future efforts or do the pops not actually die in this game?
China has been a long term enemy of Japan for far longer than Russia, though. I can easily see the Japanese here viewing China as the 'great enemy' with Russia as just a meddlesome newcomer.
Oh, good heaven! I finally have finished most of the other writing assignments I had to get done, so I can turn my attention back here.
Ooh! But 3 new commenters!
Welcome Mathew01! Thanks! Actually, it's bolt action rifles that switch the Japanese sprite -- not sure why China's switches so much earlier. Maybe they just never had their own sprite? I don't remember seeing any Chinamen with queues. Hmm...
Welcome Bevillia! Thanks! I believe that is "Military Industrial Complex", which would make industry and army techs easier to research, and commerce and culture harder. Honestly, I probably would have benefited from enacting that a long time ago, except that I didn't want to handicap my culture and navy techs, plus I think there's a temporary hit (disruption) to your research overall.
Thanks! I really wanted to push it out, believe me. Hey, had you noticed the Guess the Author Challenge in the Gen.Disc. section? I figured that would be up your alley.
Thanks! Actually, I've got some interesting new avenues of invasion up ahead...
Thanks! I've got an eye on SE Asia, but I've got to make sure I won't have either Russia or China hitting my flank in the midst of that.
Welcome, Legosim! Great to see you over here in this AAR! Thanks!
Just a speedbump.
I'd started to get the feeling that, with so many of my troops occupied in China, I'd hit my high-water-mark in Russia -- they had reinforcements coming, and I didn't.
Yes, the POPs are definitely dying off. But they recover at the same speed as the regiments (it's a one-for-one, I think). It does take a while for these guys to come back -- I'm losing whole generations in these massive battles, sometimes. But I'm not sure it can be helped. Japan play nice with China and Russia? Not likely with this Emperor!
I kind of think that way, too -- Russia intruded upon the Japanese consciousness only when they started sending ships by, colonized the "Japanese" islands to the north, and then sphered us. Otherwise, China is the traditional enemy.
Okay... I'll try to find time to do an update tonight, or at least prepare one so I can post one tomorrow. Been very busy lately, but it's good that I have these writing assignments over with.
Thanks for your comments, as always! Really appreciate it!
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Ooh! But 3 new commenters!
Welcome Mathew01! Thanks! Actually, it's bolt action rifles that switch the Japanese sprite -- not sure why China's switches so much earlier. Maybe they just never had their own sprite? I don't remember seeing any Chinamen with queues. Hmm...
Welcome Bevillia! Thanks! I believe that is "Military Industrial Complex", which would make industry and army techs easier to research, and commerce and culture harder. Honestly, I probably would have benefited from enacting that a long time ago, except that I didn't want to handicap my culture and navy techs, plus I think there's a temporary hit (disruption) to your research overall.
Thanks! I really wanted to push it out, believe me. Hey, had you noticed the Guess the Author Challenge in the Gen.Disc. section? I figured that would be up your alley.
Thanks! Actually, I've got some interesting new avenues of invasion up ahead...
Excellent outcome securing Sakhalin, even if the Kuriles proved too difficult to demand...
It doesn't seem like there is a lot more to be gained (apart from securing the Kuriles at some point) with anymore warring with Russia though.
Besides humbling China and tearing off some prizes, maybe it is time to be expanding your interests to SE Asia for the future glory of Japan?
Thanks! I've got an eye on SE Asia, but I've got to make sure I won't have either Russia or China hitting my flank in the midst of that.
Welcome, Legosim! Great to see you over here in this AAR! Thanks!
Just a speedbump.
I'd started to get the feeling that, with so many of my troops occupied in China, I'd hit my high-water-mark in Russia -- they had reinforcements coming, and I didn't.
Yes, the POPs are definitely dying off. But they recover at the same speed as the regiments (it's a one-for-one, I think). It does take a while for these guys to come back -- I'm losing whole generations in these massive battles, sometimes. But I'm not sure it can be helped. Japan play nice with China and Russia? Not likely with this Emperor!
I kind of think that way, too -- Russia intruded upon the Japanese consciousness only when they started sending ships by, colonized the "Japanese" islands to the north, and then sphered us. Otherwise, China is the traditional enemy.
Okay... I'll try to find time to do an update tonight, or at least prepare one so I can post one tomorrow. Been very busy lately, but it's good that I have these writing assignments over with.
Thanks for your comments, as always! Really appreciate it!
Rensslaer
I've been reading the entries and comments. Some good stuff there, and good on Coz1 for resurrecting it. BTW, I just sold a story to an upcoming anthology called Heroes All, due out next Spring. Nice way to get the month started.
I'm desperately using my limited free time to catch up but great work as usual Ren. Looking forward to more.
following breathlessly. I just don't have a lot to say. Keep up the good work.
oh, and excellent article in the AARlander, Renss. Nice job there, too.
oh, and excellent article in the AARlander, Renss. Nice job there, too.
If and when you upgrade to HoD I think you will find the revised combat mechanics make dealing with lower-tech hordes much more pleasant. My current Japan game saw my armies in Manchuria stand off 4-to-1 attacks by the Chinese with minor losses. The naval mechanics are much improved but could use a bit more tweaking as naval bases are out-of-sight expensive even for the fourth-most industrialized nation (Japan).
Anyway, just wanted to pass on that your AAR prompted me to try my own hand at Japan. It has been a fun game, and I thank you for that.
Anyway, just wanted to pass on that your AAR prompted me to try my own hand at Japan. It has been a fun game, and I thank you for that.
Congratulations, Bruce! What timeframe is the story set in? Your typical, or something different? I'll look forward to your comments on the stories in GTA. Coz1 said he would reveal authors on the 10th, I think.
Welcome, Jape! Thank you! Great to have you following, and I definitely appreciate your doing so despite limited time -- I know how that is.
Thank you very much! Sorry this one is taking so long. I only got a fraction of the update done today, so I'm around half done. Tomorrow should be much better, I hope. I have to remember to "pack" my screenshots along on my thumb drive.
Great to hear, thanks! I'm going to be a regular columnist there -- not that I really have time, but I appreciate being asked, and would like to contribute to the effort.
Porter, you tempted me JUST enough...
I upgraded to AHD (not HOD yet) tonight, which will be at about the 1908 point in the AAR. The savegame seems to have worked. I'll have to get up to speed on the AHD mechanics, but it doesn't look too hard.Looking forward to hearing more about your Japan game! Proud to have encouraged you to give it a try!
I didn't upgrade for the advantage against uncivs, per se. I'm almost wondering if it might make fighting European powers harder for me. But you mentioned naval mechanics -- I have been unsatisfied by the number (i.e. few) of warships other countries have -- and I also started to notice a few bugs here and there. Like I just recruited 2 new generals, in Vanilla, and they were duplicates of generals I already had. AND I was getting a bit torked off to see stacks of 188,000 Chinese troops in a Japanese-held province that weren't taking attrition (what would that be, at 10%? -- 19,000 lost to attrition per month?). I'm hoping by AHD they had those things worked out.
I want to apologize again for not having an update. One of my writing assignments was that AARLander article, which is done. I got the Imperio Novo update (an appendix) up a day or two ago (it's been mostly written for 2 weeks). And I have a Sforza update ready to go (those are much easier than V2 updates). But I've not had alot of time to write otherwise lately, and I'm just behind.
I'm really expecting that I'll have an update here tomorrow sometime. Watch for it!
Thanks again for your readership, and to those of you who've taken the time to comment!
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By 1908 the game would be slowing enough that you'd pretty much have had to get AHD or stop playing. (peaceful is just about possible to 1935 with 1.4, but wars aren't)
You'll have a position that's impossible to get via starting in AHD. The social and economic side of the game is a lot more straitjacketed. Research is quite a lot faster. China isn't unified until it westernises. Generals breed like flies.
The Chinese wouldl have been attriting but you won't see the stack go down until its POPs have shrunk enough to slow reinforcement. Unless there is bonus attrition from nasty terrain or high level forts, reinforcement will keep up with the drain. You need mountain, desert and high level forts to see serious attrition from a stationary stack, or get them to chase you so they take moving as well as month end attrition.
You'll have a position that's impossible to get via starting in AHD. The social and economic side of the game is a lot more straitjacketed. Research is quite a lot faster. China isn't unified until it westernises. Generals breed like flies.
The Chinese wouldl have been attriting but you won't see the stack go down until its POPs have shrunk enough to slow reinforcement. Unless there is bonus attrition from nasty terrain or high level forts, reinforcement will keep up with the drain. You need mountain, desert and high level forts to see serious attrition from a stationary stack, or get them to chase you so they take moving as well as month end attrition.
Thanks Ren!
A thoroughly enjoyable read! Keep up the good work.
Im going to try Japan too though using the new nations mod (it splits japan into factions initially Imperial Japan along with some other houses owning portions of japan, all as puppets of the Shogunate). Im going to try re-unit japan under imperial rule before dismembering Korea from japan. It looks like japanese history can be replayed with a little more depth very exciting!
A thoroughly enjoyable read! Keep up the good work.
Im going to try Japan too though using the new nations mod (it splits japan into factions initially Imperial Japan along with some other houses owning portions of japan, all as puppets of the Shogunate). Im going to try re-unit japan under imperial rule before dismembering Korea from japan. It looks like japanese history can be replayed with a little more depth
very exciting!
Before the update I wanted to mention that I've added an index in the 1st post of this thread -- it's hidden as a "spoiler" so just hit the button and you can see it (I hate seeing on page 1 how successful someone has been -- I'd prefer to be surprised). I'll get to feedback for the last 2 commenters soon.
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In the aftermath of the 3rd Russo-Japanese War, a whole part of the Japanese Army was spent. Immediately, reacting to the urgent needs of the 3rd Sino-Japanese War. The armies in the north were evacuated from Russian lands, and separated into two groups – the regiments which were exhausted but still retained some combat capability, and those which would take many months to reconstitute. Even the first group would have to be sent into back areas to recuperate before they could be expected to fight again.
Meanwhile, Gen. Yoshida Oyama’s doomed army was like a rock, at Chengde, driving holes in the Chinese formations, killing nearly 1,500 of the enemy some days while losing only 17 men. But this rock was being deeply eroded by the waves of Chinese soldiers. But he hung on, with amazing resilience. Amazingly, two months later, the rock was still fighting.
Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe was tasked with making a long-shot attempt to open up Mukden, which might be a stepping stone to somehow rescuing Oyama’s army. But the effort was mounted with what little strength was available at Chonchon and Port Arthur. His attack was successful, for what it was worth, but his force was fragile, and soon even his artillery units were under fire. He would need either reinforcements, or a strategic withdrawal, soon.
At Ninguta, Gen. Yasukata Okubo was also having success taking on a not-so-much larger Chinese army. All the advantages were for him… except for the staying power of his force, which was relatively weak. He was counting on the tremendous casualties inflicted upon the Chinese to balance out the organization of the opposing armies.
A small defeat was had at Qihar, and a small victory at Saghalian Oula. Gen. Goro Ichinohe soon faced another attack at Saghalian Oula, by a force three times his size, but again the killing machine went to work, and soon Chinese soldiers were falling left and right. During one week, Gen. Goro Ichinohe’s army managed a 100:1 kill ratio – 3,200 Chinese falling daily, at the cost of only 30 Japanese.
Meanwhile, the battles at Chengde and Mukden escalated – more troops from both sides arrived in the Mukden region, so that Hiroshi Ichinohe’s reinforced army of 60,000 was facing a Chinese army twice its size, and the numbers of beleaguered Oyama’s army were now drawing down to a 10:1 ratio (153,000 vs. 17,000). Nevertheless, his troops continued to hold, and to kill.
The battle at Ninguta was won by Okubo’s army, which killed 34,000 enemy soldiers for the loss of only 2,500 of his own (+6.7 Warscore). The province was nearly half secured for Japan, and it was hoped that Ninguta and Jilin would be the first Chinese provinces to fall (Jinzhou had fallen earlier, but had been retaken by the Chinese, which is partly why Oyama was cut off).
At the end of March, 1893, all hope was given up for Oyama when Gen. Gentaro Nire was ultimately defeated at Mukden. He had brought yet more reinforcements, and tried to turn the situation around. But it was all for naught – except for another 42,000 dead Chinese soldiers – and Oyama remained trapped.
What’s more, another force, led by Gen. Aritomo Tokugawa, was left in peril at Jinzhou, where he had been sent to try to open up another path of retreat, to preserve Oyama’s army. The enemy had drawn down to only 18,000 men there, and it was thought that a force of 16,000 led by a skilled tactician like Tokugawa might be able to redeem the situation there. But Tokugawa’s men were tired, and flagging. They might have to retreat north, if they could, and if they, themselves, weren’t also trapped.
Some Chinese, in April, had penetrated into Korea itself. But they posed no cause for excitement. Gen. Yoshida Arisugawa, defending Korea from the fortress at Kimchaek, was able to destroy a Chinese encroachment of 4,000 men in its entirety, in mid-April (+0.7 Warscore). And Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe (having retreated from Mukden, turning his command over to Nire) led the defense at Chonchon. His troops were tired, and were forced to retreat, yet again, but not before contributing to the climactic mini-saga of the very end of April.
If victory is considered merely the holding of ground, then Japan saw 3 defeats in that final week, and only one victory. A battle at Port Arthur was lost, and there was little to commend that as acceptable. But at Chonchon, Hiroshi Ichinohe’s defeat cost the enemy 17,000 troops (a 23:1 loss ratio). Gen. Oyama’s final capitulation at Chengde was a bitter one, though not one that was unexpected. And, to be fair, his army had taken 67,000 of the enemy with them to their deaths.
But, that week, Goro Ichinohe’s stunning repeat victory at Saghalian Oula seemed to be the sweet that tempered the sourness of Oyama’s defeat. His second victory, there, cost only 2,000 Japanese soldiers, against nearly 60,000 Chinese (a 25:1 loss ratio), trapped and forced to surrender in the mountains, their usefulness lost to China forever (+11.4 Warscore).
China lost 145,000 troops in just the final week of April 1893 (not IN that week, but in battles concluding that week). These were numbers that could, eventually, bring her to heel, despite her overwhelming numerical superiority.
The next week, Gen. Nire employed his masterful vision for offensive strategy in a counterattack at Chonchon, which would soon evict the Chinese from Korea permanently (May 23, 14,000 Chinese losses vs. 1400 Japanese - +2.7 Warscore). And Japan intended to make up for the embarrassing loss at Chengde by opening up a second front. The bulk of the Chinese army, it was believed, was marching continuously north, to be caught in massive battles in Manchuria, and chewed up and spit out. Or ground down, at least.
The troops which had been recently freed up from Formosa were landed in Hong Kong and Waizau, in the far south, in the expectation that they would face slimmer opposition there. Further reinforcements from the Philippines, Formosa, and Japan itself were already en route.
It was against the backdrop of these events that China’s envoys appeared at the Emperor’s palace, asking for a cessation of hostilities. They were rudely rebuffed.
Gen. Nire followed up his victory at Chonchon with a 2-week campaign at Mukden, where he virtually destroyed two moderately-sized Chinese armies. Gen. Tokugawa was battling weak Chinese forces again at Port Arthur, which was still in Japanese hands. And Gen. Aritomo Saigo was attacked by a massive, but disorganized, Chinese force at Jilin.
Tokugawa defeated the Chinese at Port Arthur in late June, then advanced to Jinzhou. More Japanese armies had surged throughout Manchuria. Gen. Nire engaged a Chinese army at Jirim Chuulgan in mid-July. More Japanese landings were made in south China. Saigo, at Jilin, was killing 2,000 of the enemy every day, sometimes. Ninguta was secured on Aug. 1. It was as if suddenly, in the summer of 1893, the tide had entirely turned.
And so, when on August 10, the Chinese again approached the Imperial Palace, this time offering Formosa for peace, they were again sent home with a haughty answer.
Shortly after, Gens. Saigo and Kamio were forced to withdraw from Jilin because their armies were tired from fighting continuously reinforced masses of enemy troops, but though they left 170,000 of the enemy still in the field, there were another 72,000 who were already dead.
Gen. Nire, too, withdrew from Jirim Chuulgan after having killed 26,000 of the enemy (an almost 10:1 ratio). At the end of August, the attack at Jinzhou was also withdrawn, after a 3:1 kill ratio had been achieved.
But Gen. Goro Okubo won a significant victory at Qiqihar on September 1st, costing China nearly 30,000 soldiers (+5.3 Warscore).
And there were now Japanese troops investing 4 provinces of coastal southern China, and the appearance of a small number of responding Chinese armies in the surrounding provinces hardly signaled reason for doubt.
Japan remained confident.
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In the aftermath of the 3rd Russo-Japanese War, a whole part of the Japanese Army was spent. Immediately, reacting to the urgent needs of the 3rd Sino-Japanese War. The armies in the north were evacuated from Russian lands, and separated into two groups – the regiments which were exhausted but still retained some combat capability, and those which would take many months to reconstitute. Even the first group would have to be sent into back areas to recuperate before they could be expected to fight again.
Meanwhile, Gen. Yoshida Oyama’s doomed army was like a rock, at Chengde, driving holes in the Chinese formations, killing nearly 1,500 of the enemy some days while losing only 17 men. But this rock was being deeply eroded by the waves of Chinese soldiers. But he hung on, with amazing resilience. Amazingly, two months later, the rock was still fighting.
Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe was tasked with making a long-shot attempt to open up Mukden, which might be a stepping stone to somehow rescuing Oyama’s army. But the effort was mounted with what little strength was available at Chonchon and Port Arthur. His attack was successful, for what it was worth, but his force was fragile, and soon even his artillery units were under fire. He would need either reinforcements, or a strategic withdrawal, soon.
At Ninguta, Gen. Yasukata Okubo was also having success taking on a not-so-much larger Chinese army. All the advantages were for him… except for the staying power of his force, which was relatively weak. He was counting on the tremendous casualties inflicted upon the Chinese to balance out the organization of the opposing armies.
A small defeat was had at Qihar, and a small victory at Saghalian Oula. Gen. Goro Ichinohe soon faced another attack at Saghalian Oula, by a force three times his size, but again the killing machine went to work, and soon Chinese soldiers were falling left and right. During one week, Gen. Goro Ichinohe’s army managed a 100:1 kill ratio – 3,200 Chinese falling daily, at the cost of only 30 Japanese.
Meanwhile, the battles at Chengde and Mukden escalated – more troops from both sides arrived in the Mukden region, so that Hiroshi Ichinohe’s reinforced army of 60,000 was facing a Chinese army twice its size, and the numbers of beleaguered Oyama’s army were now drawing down to a 10:1 ratio (153,000 vs. 17,000). Nevertheless, his troops continued to hold, and to kill.
The battle at Ninguta was won by Okubo’s army, which killed 34,000 enemy soldiers for the loss of only 2,500 of his own (+6.7 Warscore). The province was nearly half secured for Japan, and it was hoped that Ninguta and Jilin would be the first Chinese provinces to fall (Jinzhou had fallen earlier, but had been retaken by the Chinese, which is partly why Oyama was cut off).
At the end of March, 1893, all hope was given up for Oyama when Gen. Gentaro Nire was ultimately defeated at Mukden. He had brought yet more reinforcements, and tried to turn the situation around. But it was all for naught – except for another 42,000 dead Chinese soldiers – and Oyama remained trapped.
What’s more, another force, led by Gen. Aritomo Tokugawa, was left in peril at Jinzhou, where he had been sent to try to open up another path of retreat, to preserve Oyama’s army. The enemy had drawn down to only 18,000 men there, and it was thought that a force of 16,000 led by a skilled tactician like Tokugawa might be able to redeem the situation there. But Tokugawa’s men were tired, and flagging. They might have to retreat north, if they could, and if they, themselves, weren’t also trapped.
Some Chinese, in April, had penetrated into Korea itself. But they posed no cause for excitement. Gen. Yoshida Arisugawa, defending Korea from the fortress at Kimchaek, was able to destroy a Chinese encroachment of 4,000 men in its entirety, in mid-April (+0.7 Warscore). And Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe (having retreated from Mukden, turning his command over to Nire) led the defense at Chonchon. His troops were tired, and were forced to retreat, yet again, but not before contributing to the climactic mini-saga of the very end of April.
If victory is considered merely the holding of ground, then Japan saw 3 defeats in that final week, and only one victory. A battle at Port Arthur was lost, and there was little to commend that as acceptable. But at Chonchon, Hiroshi Ichinohe’s defeat cost the enemy 17,000 troops (a 23:1 loss ratio). Gen. Oyama’s final capitulation at Chengde was a bitter one, though not one that was unexpected. And, to be fair, his army had taken 67,000 of the enemy with them to their deaths.
But, that week, Goro Ichinohe’s stunning repeat victory at Saghalian Oula seemed to be the sweet that tempered the sourness of Oyama’s defeat. His second victory, there, cost only 2,000 Japanese soldiers, against nearly 60,000 Chinese (a 25:1 loss ratio), trapped and forced to surrender in the mountains, their usefulness lost to China forever (+11.4 Warscore).
China lost 145,000 troops in just the final week of April 1893 (not IN that week, but in battles concluding that week). These were numbers that could, eventually, bring her to heel, despite her overwhelming numerical superiority.
The next week, Gen. Nire employed his masterful vision for offensive strategy in a counterattack at Chonchon, which would soon evict the Chinese from Korea permanently (May 23, 14,000 Chinese losses vs. 1400 Japanese - +2.7 Warscore). And Japan intended to make up for the embarrassing loss at Chengde by opening up a second front. The bulk of the Chinese army, it was believed, was marching continuously north, to be caught in massive battles in Manchuria, and chewed up and spit out. Or ground down, at least.
The troops which had been recently freed up from Formosa were landed in Hong Kong and Waizau, in the far south, in the expectation that they would face slimmer opposition there. Further reinforcements from the Philippines, Formosa, and Japan itself were already en route.
It was against the backdrop of these events that China’s envoys appeared at the Emperor’s palace, asking for a cessation of hostilities. They were rudely rebuffed.
Gen. Nire followed up his victory at Chonchon with a 2-week campaign at Mukden, where he virtually destroyed two moderately-sized Chinese armies. Gen. Tokugawa was battling weak Chinese forces again at Port Arthur, which was still in Japanese hands. And Gen. Aritomo Saigo was attacked by a massive, but disorganized, Chinese force at Jilin.
Tokugawa defeated the Chinese at Port Arthur in late June, then advanced to Jinzhou. More Japanese armies had surged throughout Manchuria. Gen. Nire engaged a Chinese army at Jirim Chuulgan in mid-July. More Japanese landings were made in south China. Saigo, at Jilin, was killing 2,000 of the enemy every day, sometimes. Ninguta was secured on Aug. 1. It was as if suddenly, in the summer of 1893, the tide had entirely turned.
And so, when on August 10, the Chinese again approached the Imperial Palace, this time offering Formosa for peace, they were again sent home with a haughty answer.
Shortly after, Gens. Saigo and Kamio were forced to withdraw from Jilin because their armies were tired from fighting continuously reinforced masses of enemy troops, but though they left 170,000 of the enemy still in the field, there were another 72,000 who were already dead.
Gen. Nire, too, withdrew from Jirim Chuulgan after having killed 26,000 of the enemy (an almost 10:1 ratio). At the end of August, the attack at Jinzhou was also withdrawn, after a 3:1 kill ratio had been achieved.
But Gen. Goro Okubo won a significant victory at Qiqihar on September 1st, costing China nearly 30,000 soldiers (+5.3 Warscore).
And there were now Japanese troops investing 4 provinces of coastal southern China, and the appearance of a small number of responding Chinese armies in the surrounding provinces hardly signaled reason for doubt.
Japan remained confident.
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those chinese losses are simply nightmarish. Do you have an idea of their remaining manpower? All I have to say is: Tiger beats Dragon. Time to finish their continued annoyance once and for all.