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Well, if you win the wars ( and I'm still putting a if because the Russian situation is far from resolved ) you'll surely be a full fledged Great Power. The real issue is how can you make the Russians to cave in, since you are in two wars against foes that surpass you in one way or another , and while you are clearly winning both, you should not be with a bit margin to hold much longer atleast in Russia if you can't bring your mobilized troops north. I guess that you really need to put the "Taiwan plan" running fast to end the Chinese war fast and to go end the Russian deal ...
 

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Looks like the Chinese operation "Charge the Japanese till their guns melt" has failed. Fortunately for you, human shield is the only doctrine the Chinese seem to have researched so far.
 

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An excellent read there Rens. I've been chipping away for the last week or so and glad to say I am finally up to date. I love watching those huge numbers come up during battle. Always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as the enemy stacks slowly melt away. Best of luck with the two wars.
 

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since you have been asking/begging/pestering me about it for months (scratch which does not fit :p):

I am feeling an itch.
New story waiting to be told.
Real heroes will fight subs!

(I hope it's not too bad, it is my first attempt at a haiku)

Would be great to see a new AAR! Keep me posted -- I'm busy enough I may not notice it on my own.

Maybe time will help you against the russians ... this time the chinese aren't looking very dangerous!
And you temporary ranked 8th place , you should get it , shall you win those wars!

Underestimating my opponent may be the greatest danger. ;) But those massed armies are still pretty intimidating, even if I am killing them off so fast.

I noticed a discovery about politics in the log. Is that the milestone you speak of?

It's that I briefly ranked 8 in the world (meaning I was a Great Power), but then dropped back to 9th. In V2 Great Powers get special powers like the ability to build a sphere of influence. But you don't claim the new spot right away -- you have to sustain it for 6 months, I think.

Would the Russians accept peace including one of the war aims?

Well... I'd rather not have to find out. :D Obviously, they might... But do I want to accept that?

Well China, look what you did, now we have to kill you.

If I were China, I would have westernized before attacking.

lol Yes. :) However, I think, between me and the French, Dutch, British and Russians, China's development has been so retarded that they may never civilize! So if they want a war, they'll have to do it the hard way. ;)

This is going unexpectedly well. There are advantages to being able to kill large numbers of people, in such a case.

Japan has studied western methods well, and is applying them.

My jaw dropped when I saw the line up for that first battle against the Chinese. I have NEVER seen the units line up that perfect before.
The war against China seems to be going reasonably well, so long as you can continue to wear down and destroy their armies. Russia is a different matter though. Any possibility of recruiting new, fresh armies from the main islands to bring against them Ruskies?

I know! I was shocked. Yes, I can build new armies. It's mainly keyed, at this point, to the Military spending slider -- without new Soldier POPs the home islands are mostly tapped, but I still have room to increase those POPs.

8th, for a while. Who are you see-sawing with? You are doing quite well against two large bullet-magnets, er, opponents. Eagerly awaiting the next installment.

Yaay! I think it's the Dutch. They're declining a bit, as is perhaps evidenced by how much difficulty they had knocking poor old Spain down a notch (though they did take more territory). Thanks!

Only worlds 4th greatest army, do you need more soldier pops?

Yes, I probably do, but -- here's the problem. My treasury HAD gotten built way up there. It's been dwindling for decades, now, since I civilized and had more need to spend money on factories, soldiers, ships, etc. I've got taxes very high, but trying to balance it so my POPs aren't overtaxed and upset (they're mostly having trouble buying more than Life Needs). So if I increase Military yet again, I've got that issue. The reason I don't have alot of latitude there (more than I do) is that while concentrating on Industrial and Military Techs, I've been ignoring Commerce Techs, which is where you start getting more bang for your buck in terms of taxes. I'm building an empire on the back of a still-primitive (semi-feudal) economic model, and it's not working very well. But without the military techs, would I be winning two wars? Trade-offs! Always trade-offs! :)

Well, if you win the wars ( and I'm still putting a if because the Russian situation is far from resolved ) you'll surely be a full fledged Great Power. The real issue is how can you make the Russians to cave in, since you are in two wars against foes that surpass you in one way or another , and while you are clearly winning both, you should not be with a bit margin to hold much longer atleast in Russia if you can't bring your mobilized troops north. I guess that you really need to put the "Taiwan plan" running fast to end the Chinese war fast and to go end the Russian deal ...

Thanks! Yes, you're entirely correct. Got to keep pushing, and resolve one or the other...

Looks like the Chinese operation "Charge the Japanese till their guns melt" has failed. Fortunately for you, human shield is the only doctrine the Chinese seem to have researched so far.

Yes. :)

Masterstroke of war
Paves the way to peace hard wrought
for new Great Power

Thanks! I like that one. Someone will have to flag this thread as a repository of useful Haiku. :D

An excellent read there Rens. I've been chipping away for the last week or so and glad to say I am finally up to date. I love watching those huge numbers come up during battle. Always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as the enemy stacks slowly melt away. Best of luck with the two wars.

Thanks! Welcome, Blxz! Glad to have you along for the ride! I do tend to fixate on those 4-digit kill numbers. Does that make me morbid? :) Does it make the AAR more boring? I hope not!

This has been a weird week, with work taking up way more than its fair share of my time (I haven't had a true lunchhour this week until today). So my update schedule is a little behind. But soon! Almost ready.

Thanks for your comments! I do really appreciate it.

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it is up now, in the HOI3 section of the forum. Do stop by and let me know what you think of my narrative AAR.
 

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You changed your avatar :eek:

I figured it was a little more appropriate considering my current AAR. I keep trying to get back to my custom Imperial German Naval Ensign (the same one Baltasar has), but I don't know what the rules are for custom avatars anymore -- last I knew new ones weren't allowed (and I lost my custom one when the HOI 3 betas switched).

What's funny is I am now having trouble recognizing which posts are mine! :rolleyes:

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Sounds like your role-playing is following historic Japanes policy. Developing westernized financial and industrial systems is important, but not as high-priority as having a first-class army and navy.

Being able to compete in manufactured goods? Valuable. Being able to keep the home islands from conquest? Priceless! Of course, knowing you, once you have those shiny new toys you have to use them. :)
 

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The first half of October, 1892, was characterized by some small-scale Japanese defeats, at Tlichiki and Ust Nera, against the Russians, and Qiqihar against the Chinese. But this period also saw continued slaughter against the Russians at Utchan (lasting, actually, through the entire month), where the enemy suffered more than 10:1 casualties, and Ninguta, where 20, 50 or 100 Chinese fell, for every Japanese – a rate sustained over a long period of time.

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By October 19, though Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe’s troops were still outnumbered, the enemy recognized that it was time to withdraw. During that campaign, his heroic army had destroyed more than 10 times of the enemy than they had lost, which set the ledger back against the Chinese aggression remarkably well.

In November, Gen. Yasukata Okubo’s army at Utchan only accelerated its dismemberment of the ill-starred attack there – Japanese machine guns tearing apart massed Russian assaults before they could even come into range, and punished them even as they retreated, and there was no protection, as the ice-hardened ground would admit no new entrenchments, while the Japanese fortifications were well-made and long-standing. The Russian general – a man of no repute, but from an aristocratic family who had the favor of the Tsar – refused to admit surrender, and so more thousands died daily.

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Another Russian army invaded Manchuria at Ulusamudan, where the talented Gen. Oleg Voroshilov hoped to break through and push the Japanese back. But here, also, they met only disappointment, as Gen. Aritomo Tokugawa’s veteran soldiers held their ground.

Gen. Hiroshi Ichinohe, after his victory at Ninguta, had left his wounded and most exhausted units behind to effect the occupation of that province, while marching his freshest and most battle-effective regiments into Qiqihar, where he hoped to capitalize upon the damage already inflicted upon the Chinese forces there. He engaged at the beginning of November.

Meanwhile, Gen. Goro Ichinohe had been attacked at the beginning of the month, at Mukden, and his defensive positions proved as strong against the Chinese as had those in earlier battles. The Chinese threw themselves against a wall.

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Gen. Okubo had his victory, at Utchan, on November 10. Nearly 60,000 attacking soldiers were left behind, on the field of battle, and the remaining 40% of the overall assault force withdrew back into Russia (many demanded execution for the general, but he was quietly retired and disallowed from command). Only 5,000 Japanese had been lost.

Before the end of the month, the Russian incursion into Ulusamudan failed also. Their General Voroshilov wounded, and unable to command. They had lost 22,000 there, without having made much of an impression upon the Japanese defenses.

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On the 24th, Gen. Yasuyoshi Katsura was landed on the northern tip of Formosa, north of the capital of Taibei, and shortly thereafter he engaged a Chinese army of equal size. It would not remain of equal size for long – even on the offense the superior Japanese tactics and weapons proved decisive.

Nevertheless, as November wore on, worry began to creep into the minds of Japanese generals. Two key battles hung in the balance against the Russians in enemy territory – at Ayan, where the conflict had settled into a low-level pattern, but there were weaknesses in Okubo’s position which couldn’t be helped, and also at Magdagachi, where Gen. Yevgeny Pavlov was posing a serious challenge to Gen. Tokugawa’s position – his troops were tiring and couldn’t hold out forever.

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The Chinese army at Taibei, large as it was, fell to Gen. Katsura’s invasion force by the first week of December. He immediately set out for the south of the island, where only a smaller army was to be found. Before the end of the year, another 10,000 Chinese were killed or surrendered, and the entire island of Formosa was undefended. The process of mopping up began.

Gen. Gentaro Nire – that brilliant tactician – was still engaged in a months-long campaign at Chernomin. As many as 75,000 Russian troops had participated in this battle at one time or another, led most recently by Gen. Dragomirov. On the 11th of December, Dragomirov retreated with only 22,000 men.

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During November and December, the Russians had regularly refused offers from Japan to end the war if Russia would turn over Sakhalin Island and the Kuril Islands (here, HaIshenwai refers to Sakhalin, Japan having already captured the rest of HaIshenwai region from China). Continually, the Russians had countered with insulting proposals of no territorial gain for Japan.

Finally, after the humiliating defeat at Chernomin, the Russians offered part of the Japanese demands – Sakhalin, without the Kurils. Japan refused – it was too little for what had already been sacrificed. They were firm that Russia would hold no territory that was rightfully Japanese.

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As feared, on December 20, Gen. Tokugawa was forced to withdraw from Magdagachi, but having won a strategic victory of sorts, by inflicting the losses suffered by the Russians. Ayan, also, proved untenable, and Gen. Goro Okubo pulled back, after having killed 22,000 of the enemy. However, a significant victory by Gen. Kamio at Aigun provided any hope during the first week of January, 1893.

Ultimately, massed Chinese attacks also wore down Gen. Goro Ichinohe’s army at Mukden – his troops faltering and dwindling in combat effectiveness. He was forced to retreat on the 11th. But that was not the end of the story for Mukden, in this war.

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Goro Ichinohe had killed 63,000 Chinese, leaving a weakened army of 91,000 there. But his cousin, Hiroshi Ichinohe, rallied 18,000 fresh Japanese troops, having just secured Port Arthur, and led them to attack the Chinese at Mukden, meaning to throw them back and maintain Japanese initiative.

Gen. Yoshida Oyama had, over the course of weeks, had penetrated deeply into China, and had engaged a Chinese force at Chengde, west of Mukden and Jinzhou. However, since his campaign began, pinning him in place, the Chinese had won their victory at Mukden, and even begun to retake Jinzhou. Oyama’s army was trapped.

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Nevertheless, some hope remained for his possible extraction – by sea, most probably – when on the 30th of January he defeated the Chinese, annihilating one entire army and only being attacked with 16,000 reinforcements on the final day, which quickly pulled back to reconsider. His luck seemed subtly cruel, but some hope remained that he might be rescued. Then scouts reported an army of 100,000 en route to Chengde from the west, and Oyama accepted his fate, vowing to take as many of the enemy with him as he could.

Gen. Nire was engaged, yet again, at Chernomin – his third engagement there, having claimed one tremendous victory and another minor one. There was great hope that he would eventually be able to secure the region for Japan (83% occupied), but his troops were faltering, and there was some question if he could withstand the most recent attack by an equal force, even if he was still inflicting tortuous casualties upon the enemy.

It was time for Japan to recognize its limits. When another Russian envoy arrived, in the 2nd week of February, 1893, offering Sakhalin Island, but not the Kurils…

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The Emperor ordered his court to accept the proposal. The Kuril Islands would have to wait for another war. It was time to concentrate on one enemy – China.
 

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Great success! Any plans on trying for more of Manchuria?

I agree. In the few V2 games I have played, I don't remember ever seeing a succesful battle giving a warscore of +10 or more. Is that only because of the huge losses suffered?
 

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Fantastic stuff, those were two huge victories over Russia and you've managed to grab the more valuable island. The Kurils have a relatively low war score value if I remember correctly, so hopefully an opportunity for a quick war against Russia will present itself soon.

With soldiers freed up in Manchuria to meet the Chinese, and experienced ones at that, this could be an excellent war to make significant gains. What is your infamy?
 

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It seems my fears about the Chinese were unjustified, seeing as how many of them died in battle.
Congratulations on your victory over the Russians, that ought to teach them to stay of Japan.
 

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Ok, now that you finished your business with the Russians for now, you really need to push a strongly punishing peace with China. First ( and I'm quite repeating myself in here from the last Chinese war ), you need to gain something proportional to your effort in here and not to kill a bunch of Chinese just for the Euro vultures to grab pieces of it with little effort. Second, you must break China enough for them to not even think on intervening in the inevitable next Russian war to get the Kuriles. So I would say that is time to really push into China and grab a big chunk of it that really hurts them and not ( only ) a peripheral island or northern horse rider land. Any idea of a possible high pop area you can grab of them ?
 

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Sounds like your role-playing is following historic Japanes policy. Developing westernized financial and industrial systems is important, but not as high-priority as having a first-class army and navy.

Being able to compete in manufactured goods? Valuable. Being able to keep the home islands from conquest? Priceless! Of course, knowing you, once you have those shiny new toys you have to use them. :)

Absolutely! :D

Great success! Any plans on trying for more of Manchuria?

Thanks! We'll see how the war proceeds.

Judging by the combat losses, the Chinese are really getting hammered - you should bleed them for everything you can manage!

Sadly (in more than one way), they can afford it, though!

I agree. In the few V2 games I have played, I don't remember ever seeing a succesful battle giving a warscore of +10 or more. Is that only because of the huge losses suffered?

Seems like I might have seen +12 before, but +9.9 is certainly up there! :D I think it must be the huge losses, maybe relative strengths factored in.

Fantastic stuff, those were two huge victories over Russia and you've managed to grab the more valuable island. The Kurils have a relatively low war score value if I remember correctly, so hopefully an opportunity for a quick war against Russia will present itself soon.

With soldiers freed up in Manchuria to meet the Chinese, and experienced ones at that, this could be an excellent war to make significant gains. What is your infamy?

Thanks! Infamy is around 16 I think. So I could afford to add some conquest -- not alot. Not that Japan, necessarily (role-playing), is paying attention to such things. Japan will do what it must.

It seems my fears about the Chinese were unjustified, seeing as how many of them died in battle.
Congratulations on your victory over the Russians, that ought to teach them to stay of Japan.

Thanks! I hope they'll stay away for a while.

Ok, now that you finished your business with the Russians for now, you really need to push a strongly punishing peace with China. First ( and I'm quite repeating myself in here from the last Chinese war ), you need to gain something proportional to your effort in here and not to kill a bunch of Chinese just for the Euro vultures to grab pieces of it with little effort. Second, you must break China enough for them to not even think on intervening in the inevitable next Russian war to get the Kuriles. So I would say that is time to really push into China and grab a big chunk of it that really hurts them and not ( only ) a peripheral island or northern horse rider land. Any idea of a possible high pop area you can grab of them ?

Yes, that point you bring up about weakening China for the European vultures has been on my mind. That could easily happen. Potential targets are all over -- it's a question of where I can sustain an attack, and what kind of warscore I'll need to claim it (remember this is Vanilla, so the threshold for claiming territory via warscore is pretty disadvantageous).

Well, I've found out the answer to my question.

Indeed. :) Didn't WANT to end it that early, but I was getting frustrated not having enough critical mass on the Chinese front.

From January to February you went down about 80 points in industry score. What happened?

The V2 economic model is very unstable (which, frankly, is fairly realistic). I've been suffering occasional shortages of natural resources. Fruit, or Timber goes out of supply, suddenly I can't make wine, or lumber, then those POPs don't get paid, so they buy less stuff. Some goods even have "generational" ramifications. Like, if Timber isn't available, then you can't make Lumber, which means you can't make Paper, or Regular Furniture, so you can't make Luxury Furniture, etc. -- it can cascade through the whole system.

So it's probably more useful to keep track of quarterly trends, not just month to month. Overall, I think you'll see me going steadily up over time.

Hobbled by Island
Modern Japan lose some friends
Wise choice to save face

More Haiku! Thanks!

I started the next update, but I have a couple of other writing projects I need to get to. I cannot promise an update tomorrow. Sometime this weekend is a good bet, but it might be Monday.

Thanks for your encouragement and comments!

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