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Japan mobilized immediately upon the Chinese declaration of war. China never seemed to mobilize – that seemed to them, perhaps, to be redundant.

Immediately, Japan trusted in these newly mobilized reserves to defend the homeland, while shuttling all the regular armies to Korea to back up those already on duty there.

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It wasn’t until March, 1879, that Chinese and Japanese soldiers first met in combat. In the years between the two wars, Japan had constructed fortresses along the border. It was Japan’s strategy to place highly skilled defensive artists in command of these fortresses, and to let the Chinese come to Korea and spend themselves upon their walls.

Astonishingly, despite being outnumbered 4:1, Gen. Yahachi Tsuboi and his army inflict crippling casualties upon the enemy as they traverse the carefully selected and protected approaches to the defensive line. Japan has prepared for this for 5 years. As these traps were overcome, the casualties settled down into a more typical ratio.

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The Chinese hit Chonchon in late March. Tragically, in a freak circumstance, the hero of the first Sino-Japanese War, Gen. Takahashi Shimamura, died of a gunshot wound to the head in the opening skirmishes of this battle. His death threw the defenses in Chonchon off balance. Gen. Kozo Arisugawa recovered quickly from his surprise elevation, and despite a bad first week of combat, his brilliance in defensive tactics made up for it in the first week of April, when his army was able to kill up to 2,000 of the enemy a day for 5 days.

The Japanese were so few that the immense Chinese armies couldn’t bring all their muskets to bear. The Chinese were encamped in unfriendly territory in numbers larger than the land could support, so sickness and hunger took their toll. And the concentrated fire of Japan’s more advanced rifles was telling, at times. The Chinese had also attacked only with infantry, which meant only Japan had the versatility of cavalry charges and advantages of artillery.

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The Chinese hit the forts at Chongjin in mid-April, and there was combat along the entirety of the northern border of Korea. Japanese soldiers were also landed by sea at Boli, and also at Utchan, where they engaged an equivalent-size force of Chinese, but to much greater effect.

It was quickly becoming apparent how much improved the performance of the Japanese army was during this war, compared to the last.

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Already, only 2 months into the fighting, China was perceived by observers on both sides to be losing the war. Of course, the Chinese remained utterly confident that numbers could overcome the steadfastness and accuracy of the Japanese defenders. But this was promising to be another long and bloody war. No one’s dominance was preordained.

The defenders at Chonchon, worn down from repeated wave attacks, withdrew in mid-May. But not before taking 39,000 Chinese down first (Japanese losses were 14,000). This would be another familiar trend. As soon as Arisugawa retreated, another fresh army was coming up from Pyongyang to ensure the Chinese had no peace.

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The battle at Utchan, in the far north near Russia, was settling into a long period of trench warfare with attrition on both sides. In mid-May, the Chinese retreated from Utchan (+1.4 Warscore for Japan), and Japanese soldiers began trying to secure the province before more Chinese could arrive at the defense.

Soon, Gen. Sadao Okada was ably harassing the Chinese at Chonchon. He, like Arisugawa, was outnumbered, but his troops were spirited, and the enemy was tired. At Kimchaek, Gen. Tsuboi’s troops were very tired also, but they fought with ferociousness, and under Tsuboi’s leadership, achieved amazing progress against the Chinese, whose numbers were now about equal to Japan’s after so many losses.

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On May 25, Gen. Tsuboi won an astounding victory (6.8 Warscore, +5 Prestige!, 3:1 ratio) when the still numerically superior Chinese broke and ran back toward Jilin. Tsuboi aggressively dispatched Gen. Heihachiro Terauchi to pursue the fleeing Chinese into Jilin while another fresh army moved from the south to take his place.

To the west, Gen. Okada defeated a huge Chinese army Jun. 4, inflicting 3 times the Japanese number of casualties (2.1 Warscore). To the northeast, Gen. Sumiyoshi Yamagata was similarly punishing a larger force of Chinese at Chongjin, defeating them decisively on Jun. 11, such that the entire enemy army surrendered (so far as I could tell – they just disappeared after the battle, which is a proper function of the game if certain conditions are met). His victory was heralded almost as loudly as Tsuboi’s (5.5 Warscore, 4.5 Prestige). Even without the highly anticipated machine guns, Japan’s military superiority was becoming very clear.

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When Gen. Terauchi assaulted the barely-prepared defensive line of the defeated Chinese at Jilin, he had serious initial success. There were worries because other Chinese armies lurked. But he persisted. On Jun. 17, the Chinese gave up the ground again, and retreated deeper into Manchuria.

Gen. Okada, once victory was had at Chonchon, advanced into blood-soaked Mukden, and began adding to the iron in the soil. His initial offensive against Gen. Changlin Xiangying was stunning.

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Other battles were being waged in the interior of Manchuria, at Boli, and in the mountains of Saghalian Oula. A landing was made, again, at Port Arthur. Japan was in full offensive mode, now – there were no active combats underway in Korea, and all four conflicts in late June were on Chinese territory. In another 6 provinces, Japanese armies roamed, unchallenged.

But China wasn’t defeated yet – she still had significant armies to throw at the surprisingly strong Japanese. July 3 brought victory at Mukden, but Jilin was embroiled in battle again, and Japanese troops were growing weary.

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The Chinese began using fresh armies to press upon the tired Japanese, in a role-reversal. Some strategists, prognosticating in headquarters in Korea, expressed the belief that Japan should withdraw to Korean forts again, and await the deployment of the new machine guns, which would mow the Chinese down. Others did not want to wait to press the aggressive securing of enemy territory, in order to force a favorable peace.

While they argued, the futility of internecine fights between Asian countries was brought home, as word arrived that France had annexed Dai Nam and now held sway over almost all of Indochina.

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What seemed clear, as did nothing else, was that this war would not be over soon, unless Japan were willing to accept a status-quo peace again. Consensus at home was that no, they would not be satisfied without territorial concessions. And so the word went forth to hold, where possible.
 
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The foreigners are approaching. Let's hope Japan is ready by the time they get here.

In other news Japan seems to be faring much better then last time. Hopefully those chinese will learn their lesson.
 

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It looks that the Chinese are losing even when the terrain allows them to use full frontage against your troops ( see Jilin ). That is a marked improvement on the performance of the first Chinese war. BTW I'm with those that are pressing to push the warfare *evil grin* : besides the clear upper hand you are having, if you blood out the chinese without getting anything, some european barbarian will do it for you ( see what the brits did in the aftermath of the first chinese war ) ... so you need to protect the Chinese of their own inability to grasp who the real enemy is ( Hum, that sentence does sound like a OTL Japanese XIX - early XX century general/politician talking :p ). So, getting to protect, lets say, Taiwan, Hainan or even a substantial chunk of Manchuria would be a reasonable goal for this war ...
 

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Gen. Okada, once victory was had at Chonchon, advanced into blood-soaked Mukden, and began adding to the iron in the soil.

Bolding mine. Good line :)

Your rope-a-dope tactics seem to be paying dividends. Pulling back to rest, and let the Chinese break against your defenses might be the way to go. Their manpower advantage can't last forever.
 

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The chinese are sending their army to the grave ... but thay have MORE ARMIES to send after that ... they need a better guidance!
 

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I'm surprised that you didn't jump on China while Britain was pounding them... the timing would have been off, but getting some help holding down the many-tentacled-monster that is China would have been nice and you might have gotten some real-estate out of it.

Push for whatever army inventions you can get, put in the best leaders, buy the best supplies, dig in... and pray. You need to kill a lot of Chinese without taking heavy casualties yourself, and you need to get something out of the war if and when the tide turns. Oh, and pull out every dirty, devious trick you can think of. Now's the time to convince China not to ever do this again.

Just on a side note, your signature is getting cluttered (you are prolific if not prolix). Why no Inkwell listing? Just curious.

I know! Long haul. Actually, I think for much of this intervening time, I was at truce. And then after I was waiting for new tech and still preparing. I was also somewhat hoping China would leave me alone. But, alas...

Actually, I do have an Inkwell page (on page 4), and it's listed at the bottom of my sig. It's just cluttered, so maybe you didn't see it! :p :)

Thanks, Director!

I don't believe that the later versions simulate foreign displeasure with blockades nor any mods of which I am aware. I suspect it would be a nightmare to program any such behavior. My curiosity was piqued when I saw the fleet in your final picture and I wondered where you might go with such issues. Thank you for the response. I now wait in eager anticipation for the resolution of this unfortunate conflict. ;)

Very good, thanks!

Will the problem be you have so much war score you want to claim Manchuria? ;)
Hah! I think this update may have proven me to be right!

You're referring, of course, to my saying that my warscore caused a problem which I had to deal with. I can quite understand where you're going, but believe it or not... That's not it! It's something else, serious, and you'll see I think in the next update. ;)

The foreigners are approaching. Let's hope Japan is ready by the time they get here.

In other news Japan seems to be faring much better then last time. Hopefully those chinese will learn their lesson.

Yeah, I've got my peripheral vision on them... Too distracted to pay much attention, unfortunately!

a resounding success. Imagine what wonders the machine gun will do

Thanks! Welcome, Dodedo! I'm hoping the machine gun proves my rescue from all these casualties.

It looks that the Chinese are losing even when the terrain allows them to use full frontage against your troops ( see Jilin ). That is a marked improvement on the performance of the first Chinese war. BTW I'm with those that are pressing to push the warfare *evil grin* : besides the clear upper hand you are having, if you blood out the chinese without getting anything, some european barbarian will do it for you ( see what the brits did in the aftermath of the first chinese war ) ... so you need to protect the Chinese of their own inability to grasp who the real enemy is ( Hum, that sentence does sound like a OTL Japanese XIX - early XX century general/politician talking :p ). So, getting to protect, lets say, Taiwan, Hainan or even a substantial chunk of Manchuria would be a reasonable goal for this war ...

The frontage, believe it or not, isn't much use to them in most battles, because they have 2 or 3 times as many units as I do, and those without the recon range (cavalry has 2 moves, infantry only 1 -- and you know this, I'm sure, but just explaining for others) can't actually attack me. Nor can any Chinese infantry in the 2nd rank. So what happens is only the center of the first rank is able to fight me. The drawback here is that once they've been hurt badly, they retreat, and are replaced with more troops. Eventually my Organization will falter, and I'll often lose the battle, but in the meantime I've killed thousands of them.

I'll go "protect" more land as soon as I can! ;)

Bolding mine. Good line :)

Your rope-a-dope tactics seem to be paying dividends. Pulling back to rest, and let the Chinese break against your defenses might be the way to go. Their manpower advantage can't last forever.

Thanks! I appreciate that, especially from you! :) Feel free to use it if you like.

Yes, I have to stay adaptable. This is going to be a long war!

The chinese are sending their army to the grave ... but thay have MORE ARMIES to send after that ... they need a better guidance!

Indeed -- fighting China is incredible!

Sounds like those machine guns can't come soon enough. Have you moved any of your mobilized armies to the war, or are they still sitting in Japan?

Indeed! Umm... Good question, about mobilized reserves. I think, looking over my screenshots, that all these are regular army so far.

In fact... It occurs to me that I haven't shown a Mobilize message yet, and I think I would have if I'd mobilized. It seems that I may have attempted to make it through this second war without mobilizing, because I didn't want to disrupt my economy. We'll see if that lasts! :D

Thanks for all your great comments and encouragement! I'll try to get another update ready for tomorrow, but it's not prepared yet, so I can't promise.

Anyone else lurking out there who hasn't commented? Be very happy to hear from some who are reading quietly so far!

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Good show! Machine Guns look to be arriving soon; if they synch with the arrival of the fresh reserves to the front then you should be golden. You seemed to have held the line in Korea and your forays in Manchukuo aren't fairing too badly. I can't wait to see what the next update holds!
 

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Through the month of July, 1879, tremendously bloody battles continued at Mukden, where a victory was had by Japan on the 3rd, but another began on the 15th. Gen. Sadao Okada’s position this time around was less advantageous, and the Chinese

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Once Gen. Okada began his retreat, Gen. Changlin Xiangying began marching his army toward Chonchon. At Chonchon, Gen. Kozo Arisugawa had a choice – defeat the Chinese on the defense, there, or advance and hit them at Mukden. He believed Mukden was the place, and Gen. Okada could set up defenses at Chonchon, letting his troops recover while awaiting events. If Changlin made it through, by gradually overwhelming and wearing Arisugawa’s troops, then Okada would stand ready again.

There was confidence that the Chinese would not pass Chonchon, no matter what. And at Jilin, Gen. Heihachiro Terauchi was dismembering another Chinese offensive. Numbers still boded ill for Japan, as China had so many troops to throw against the Japanese defensive lines. Terauchi gave way on August 4, retreating toward Chonchon (-0.7 Warscore), but he had taken twice as many of the enemy as he lost.

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An advance party of Japanese troops had made it to Saghalian Oula, deep into northern Manchuria, and there they gained another victory (+0.5 Warscore). North, still, from there, was Utchan, bordering Russia. A Japanese army had been landed, and they were attempting to secure land around that province when a Chinese army of 33,000 attacked the 14,000 Japanese. This time, Japanese technical superiority could not overcome the numbers. They were defeated on August 6, losing 8,000 to the Chinese 4,000 (-1.2 Warscore). But they moved inland to escape the Chinese, rather than to sea.

Then, in August, the first machine guns began to be delivered into the field.

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At Boli, along the coast, Gen. Samata Ueda’s army was able to hold off a Chinese army in far superior position without being severely punished – more than likely a result of the effect of machine guns upon the unsuspecting Chinese, who were completely unaware of how to defend against them.

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Because of this new innovation, Ueda was able to maneuver his army into a better defensive position, from which his soldiers were able to unleash tremendous devastation upon the enemy. After a week of this, the enemy broke and ran, having lost twice the number of Japanese soldiers who fell.

At Mukden, too, Gen. Arisugawa was able to turn the machine guns to great advantage, his men almost invulnerable, suddenly, to the enemy, who could not get into attack position without suffering the most grievous losses. A few days later, when Arisugawa was able to reposition his army to use the new weapons more effectively, the bloodletting increased dramatically.

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While at war, the strategists and military academicians continued trying to devise new ways to employ the machine guns, and otherwise increase the professionalism of the army in the western model. At this time, these advances – the emulation of European methods – was of supreme importance, for they had been proved effective when used by Europeans against the Chinese in the hill country and the wars in Guangzhou.

By the end of August, there was fighting across most of eastern Manchuria, from the north to the south. At Ninguta, Gen. Tetsutaro Yamagata was inflicting serious casualties upon Chinese Gen. Zhao’s army. Gen. Terauchi was doing the same from his strong defensive positions at Chonchon, where he had retreated and the enemy had followed.

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On Sept. 18, Terauchi annihilated the entire Chinese force, of nearly 15,000, for the loss of fewer than 500 of his own well-armed and well-protected troops. At Mukden, Arisugawa’s tired soldiers were forced to withdraw from Mukden on the 19th, but not before killing nearly 4 times the number of their own dead among the Chinese (nearly 40,000 dead).

Gen. Taruhito Arichi had landed in early September in Utchan, where an earlier force had been defeated, and this time he was able to destroy much of the exhausted Chinese troops who had been so happy with their previous victory. Nearly 5,000 of the enemy fell, for the loss of less than 200 Japanese (+1.0 Warscore).

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By the end of September, 1879, Japan felt confident of victory, and so laid a set of demands before China. They wanted all the coast of Manchuria, from Korea north to the Russian border. This would protect much of Korea’s flank, would make the Sea of Japan more easily secured and controlled, and would give Japan a base from which to further attack the Russians in the future.

The war continued unabated through October. Gen. Terauchi advanced into Mukden again, where the massed Chinese armies had vacated in an attempt to defend the rest of Manchuria. At Ninguta, Yamagata was severely punishing a larger force of Chinese – some days statisticians estimated 1,300 Chinese fell, against fewer than 100 Japanese – while at Boli Gen. Ueda was also doing quite well.

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Meanwhile, all resistance in the Chinese province of HaIshenwai had collapsed. October 24, Port Arthur fell also. This signified progress for Japan, and a closeness, they hoped, to the end of the war.

But the Chinese were not yet ready to give up. At the opening of November, 85,000 Chinese under Gen. Guan Xiangying forced their way into Chongjin, where Gen. Tsuboi inflicted 7:1 casualty ratios upon them, from his parapets, armed with machine guns.

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By November, Gen. Arisugawa, having completed the occupation of Port Arthur, took command of fresh troops and boldly assumed a forward position in Jinzhou, where his very presence taunted the Chinese to react. He was fully confident of his position, with the geography, his personal skills in defense, and the machine guns all pointing in his favor. This would also, he trusted, shield the occupation forces at Mukden, so that they could successfully subdue the province unmolested. He dared the Chinese to attack his fortified position.

They did so, on 16 November, and they took serious losses. Though Arisugawa’s command suffered substantial losses themselves – 5,000 – they still killed nearly 10,000 of the enemy, and the Chinese first retreated after only a week and a half of fighting (25 Nov). Another army threw themselves against Arisugawa at the end of the month.

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Another significant victory was won by Gen. Ueda at Boli, killing 16,000 Chinese. And Gen. Tsuboi, in the first week of December, was killing nearly 3,000 of the enemy per day, for the loss of only 100 of his own! And on the 12th of December, Gen. Mitsuomi Muto won a tremendous victory at Jilin, where 16,000 of the enemy fell, for only 4,300 lost Japanese.

Finally, at the very end of the month, the Chinese invasion of Chongjin was sapped, and Gen. Guan withdrew, leaving nearly two-thirds of his original force – almost 60,000 men – dead or wounded on the Korean landscapes.

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But, meanwhile, Gen. Arisugawa’s ambition had gotten the best of him. His daring move – deeply forward in the direction from which Chinese armies of reinforcement were continually marching – had attracted the attention of more than 110,000 of the enemy against his force, which had in time dwindled to only 20,000. Ammunition shortages for the machine guns were not helping (not really reflected in V2, but it sounds good to explain the situation, eh?).

And so it was, with such amazing successes throughout Manchuria, but with the looming threat of Arisugawa’s eventual defeat at Jinzhou, that the Chinese envoys came, bearing a plea for peace along the Korean border with no territory changing hands.

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Knowing how very badly outnumbered Japanese forces were, the Emperor’s ministers were faced with a dilemma – continue to spend the lifeblood of Japan in a costly war with China that no one had desired, for the hope of conquest, or cinch the wounds and recover in order that Japan might turn upon its real enemy, Russia?
 

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This is a lovely aar, I was slightly disappointed that you could not stay isolated longer though.

A slightly off topic question, do the Japanese map models always stay as samurai? I was hoping they would change when you become a modern, civilized country.
 

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Another excellent update. Japan has put a firm marker down - the Chinese will not take Korea cheaply, and without massive modernisation of their own. However, the massive cost of the two wars against China demand that the Japanese gain more than the status quo from the peace. Can the Emperor really be considering the prestige loss from not achieving Japan's territorial demands?
 

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Another excellent update. Japan has put a firm marker down - the Chinese will not take Korea cheaply, and without massive modernisation of their own. However, the massive cost of the two wars against China demand that the Japanese gain more than the status quo from the peace. Can the Emperor really be considering the prestige loss from not achieving Japan's territorial demands?

I agree. A wargoal has been set and I don't think it would be a good idea to abandon it.
 

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This is a lovely aar, I was slightly disappointed that you could not stay isolated longer though.

A slightly off topic question, do the Japanese map models always stay as samurai? I was hoping they would change when you become a modern, civilized country.

Its a tactic to fool the Chinese. Maxim guns disguised as swords.
 

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The emperor would be a fool to accept such a peace treaty! The chinese are losing armies faster than they can replace them and they wand the easy way out!
Ocupy their capital if you must , but don't give up your wargoals!
 

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Machine guns sure saved your proverbial bacon. Great update!
 

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