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I think you did well standing toe to toe with China. The 'White Peace' offer must have been a relief. If it hadn't happened, how far were you willing to go before offering your own terms? (I assume that crack Chinese general had you thinking about it). Also, I think in time it would be only natural the Emperor would charge his minions to look elsewhere for easier pickings. Say, to the south?
 

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Thanks about the concept! I always like realism in AARs, and Japan is just so unique a country. This is sort of the impression I got from them, while studying Japanese history. Like, late to the party, but catching up as fast as they possibly can! :D And... on the subject of Brunei, here and elsewhere, I've had a tendency to ignore the "obvious" and "smart" things to do in favor of what seems logical from the perspective I'm role-playing. And while Brunei would certainly be smart, and don't think it's not occurred to certain Japanese leaders, but it's not on the immediate radar screen. Priorities are elsewhere.

I am happy to read this. I do hope that the focus of Japan remains avenging herself of Russia and the punishment of China -- at least for the immediate future. Expansion into China also makes strategic sense at this stage. China has a wealth of resources which can be utilized by Japan at present and these resources are contiguous of the current Japanese colonial empire which should make them easier to defend against all-comers. A far-flung colonial empire would divide the Japanese forces and it would also put Japan into the heart of the European empires in Asia. Better to focus nearer to home until Japan can secure real victories against China and Russia and at least begin to believe itself in the same division with the European powers.
 

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I lust for the day Japan can actually snipe some territory instead of a white peace; but you did spectacularly against the Chinese. Onwards to empire!

Believe me, I'm with you on that lust! Thanks! I appreciate it!

That was a tough war against China, but the Emperor was right to make peace when he did. Korea is safe for the time being, and will be a solid base for expansion. I suppose the ideal scenario would be for the UK to attack China just before your truce expired, beat them up for a few months and then Japan could attack into Manchuria. Some useful coal provinces there, as well as a substantial populaiton boost for the Empire. However, I image that Russia is also looking for an opportunity to expand their eastern holdings. Japan must prevent the establishment of Vladivostock at all costs!

I really, REALLY did not want that war. But it was a good test, and it proved that my army is more capable than I gave it credit for. Now, though, I can't attack any one enemy in confidence another won't decide to pop in. Grr...

After reading the last 4 updates, and the attempts of Japan to modernize, I sit back to relax for the evening, I find "The Last Samurai" is on TV. Quite a fitting end to the night if I say so myself. Epic war with China, the first of many I fear. I'll save my compliments for I think they would not do justice.

Most excellent! :D I'll have to watch that again soon. Welcome, Jagdpnzr! I almost thought you'd been posting for a while, but that's a different AAR. ;) And thanks for the kind comments -- I really appreciate it.

I think you did well standing toe to toe with China. The 'White Peace' offer must have been a relief. If it hadn't happened, how far were you willing to go before offering your own terms? (I assume that crack Chinese general had you thinking about it). Also, I think in time it would be only natural the Emperor would charge his minions to look elsewhere for easier pickings. Say, to the south?

Thanks! Yes, a relief to be sure. I was actually quite surprised, since they'd rebuffed my earlier attempts at white peace. How far?? Well... I'm a stubborn bugger, so I hadn't really thought about it. I suppose if I'd really gotten sapped to the point where I couldn't do anything I'd have let them take that state (the 4-province region) and would come back for it later. Though that would have rankled. ;)

Don't you need a Maginot line against the Chinese in the north Korean mountains :)

Yes! :D Most assuredly you'll see that going up.

I am happy to read this. I do hope that the focus of Japan remains avenging herself of Russia and the punishment of China -- at least for the immediate future. Expansion into China also makes strategic sense at this stage. China has a wealth of resources which can be utilized by Japan at present and these resources are contiguous of the current Japanese colonial empire which should make them easier to defend against all-comers. A far-flung colonial empire would divide the Japanese forces and it would also put Japan into the heart of the European empires in Asia. Better to focus nearer to home until Japan can secure real victories against China and Russia and at least begin to believe itself in the same division with the European powers.

Thanks! I won't go too far into my thinking, but I think we're on the same page as far as what you'll likely see Japan doing or not doing. On the other hand, in I Am Siam I didn't really expect to ever get engaged in the Mediterranean, but I ended up forced to do so in order to get enough warscore to end a key war. I hope the same isn't true here.

I got worried you wouldn't get a WP there. Glad to see Japan managed to make it out ok

I was worried too! :) As I told Lord Durham, I really was surprised when it came, and I couldn't hit accept fast enough! Thanks!

Another update tonight -- I'll probably wait until I get home.

Thanks for your readership, and especially for comments!

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In 1875, Japan’s industrial technology improved considerably, with the development of an artillery and ammunition industry, and a synthetic fertilizer industry, which also had implications for military explosives (which could feed the ammunition supply chain).

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The next subject of interest for Japan was Malthusian Thought – this would improve the Japanese educational systems, as well as improving colonial migration to Korea.

In March and April of 1875, the Russians seized another 3 Japanese whaling vessels, this time off the Kuril Islands. This was getting to be too much to ignore. But Japan still did not feel like she was ready to take on Russia again. There was much more research to be done, and Japan still had to recover from her devastating war with China.

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After Malthusian Thought was achieved, in late 1875, Japanese attention turned to the science of Medicine – while the old methods of eastern medicine worked fine for some things, it was apparent that western methods had promise beyond what could be achieved, in some areas. Western surgery, for instance, and certain forms of battlefield treatment.

It was during this time that the incredible news came to Japan that her near-ally, the United States, was proposing to build a channel of water between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea, causing it to open up to the Indian Ocean! This set scientists to gabbling about what disasters might befall the world if these two bodies of water were connected, but wiser heads conceived of the good that could come from it. In December, the US declared war upon Egypt, intending to seize the land necessary for building this canal. Japanese observers nodded in approval.

In 1876, the Ottoman Empire eventually gave up on achieving her war aims against Spain. But not because of any initiative by Spain. With France leading the war against her, and with the later interventions of the Netherlands and Russia, there was no hope of winning the widened war.

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In 1876, Japanese doctors came up with an impressive array of improvements in the medical field, taking many leads from western medicine. This would help Japan to avoid the attrition that had long dogged her larger armies on campaign. Japan began to examine large machinery, such as was used in the publishing industry. This could lead to future developments that would aid in factory production.

During 1876, Japan briefly climbed to become what was considered the “11th ranked” nation of the world. It was believed this was less to any particular improvement within Japan, or her economy or industry, but rather to the lessened military size of some of the powers which had, of late, been at war.

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Nevertheless, Japanese industry was booming, and was now ranked as the 14th largest industrial economy in the world. The humble factories, which at one time had only produced liquor and clothing (and glass, to support the liquor industry), now had added a steamship production industry, an armaments industry, and various other support industries such as fabric and cement. Steel was also being produced in two provinces.

At the same time, Artisans still produced much of what was needed in Japan, including almost all of her clothing, and even large portions of many of the other industries. Japan’s was not yet a truly industrialized economy. This would have to be improved upon, over time.

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In 1877 the first of the forts, meant to guard the Korean frontier with China, were put into service. Other forts were built in Hokkaido, to guard against Russian incursions.

Also that year, Japanese doctors discovered a means to ward against the dread disease Malaria, which would allow more access to some of these Pacific islands. Military scientists began pursuing machine guns – something which would hopefully set Japan on equal ground with Russia on the battlefield.

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At the very least, machine guns would give Japan a tremendous advantage against China in any future wars. It was believed that they might be developed by the summer of 1879, two years away. Other achievements were made in medical science which would reduce the attrition suffered by their armies. Yet more such achievements would improve Japan’s population growth.

During the year 1877, Britain again fought a quick war with China, which was resolved within the year, and which gave the United Kingdom control over Guangxi, in the Chinese south. This was a tremendous development. It was hoped that it would weaken China so that she would not try to pick a fight with Japan again. But some Japanese were worried about the implications of continued British aggression in the region, which might soon put them in the South China Sea. Could they become yet another European rival?

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During 1877, Japan again climbed in reputation, with many observers believing Japan was then superior (11th place) to Spain. For Japan to be considered more “advanced” or “powerful” than a major European country with as much history as Spain was a supreme honor. It helped, later that year, when a botanical expedition made findings which increased Japan’s regard worldwide (prestige up to 94).

The French declared war in 1878 against Dai Nam, intending to conquer the rest of that country. The Americans successfully defeated Mamluk Egypt during that year, and they acquired the Sinai Peninsula, which also contained the critical land which was to be used for passage between the seas. It remained to be seen how long it would take to build this Suez Canal. In any case, Japan now begun constructing steam transports for her troop movements, which meant Japan might well benefit from this channel between the seas.

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Soon after finishing their war with Egypt, the Americans declared war upon their neighbor, Mexico.

The once-great threat of Korean nationalism had waned. But Jacobins still posed a danger, and they made their move in January, 1879. Armies immediately moved to act against these insane bullies.

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During the late 1870s, Japanese military strategists had begun to plan how Japan’s future might best be secured. The occasion of provocation when Russia was seizing Japanese whalers had been allowed to pass unremarked. But other opportunities would come, and it was decided that once the first units were armed with machine guns, in August of 1879, that might be a good time to test Japan’s mettle against Russia again.

However, events would set these plans awry. The 5-year anniversary of Japan’s truce with China passed, and contrary to all hopes, the Chinese moved against Korea again.

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A full 6 months remained before Japan would have access to what might be the lifesaving technology of the machine gun. The question was whether Japan’s improved military, with better guards against attrition, better reinforcement and morale, and better military tactics than 5 years prior, might stand up against China’s immense armies this time.

Would the Chinese overwhelm Japan again, forcing another white peace after endless bloodshed? Or would Japan be able to seize parts of China for its own imperial purposes?
 

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Oh come on China, give the japanese a break!
 

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Interesting -- if not wholly unexpected -- development with China. I suspect that Chinese formations will be permitted to exhaust themselves against a dug-in and fortified Japanese army to be followed by a Japanese counter-offensive which should enjoy local superiority.

While I am confident that Japanese arms are sufficient to protect their Korean colonies I'm not convinced that they're sufficient to force much in the way of concessions from the Chinese. Is your navy sufficient for a blockade? If so, are you willing to consider a naval blockade? From a game perspective the warscore from a blockade, bloody victories in defense of Korea, and a several captured provinces should be sufficient to force a concession or two from China. From the role-playing perspective ... would European interests permit the Japanese (at this point in history) to disrupt trade with China? Good relations with the Americans might convince the Americans to acquiesce. I'm not certain that the rest of the western powers would tolerate such a disruption of their interests in China. I emphasize "their" in the previous sentence as I don't believe that anyone cared a damn for China outside of what they could take from China. Of course if you have some insights or knowledge that I missed in the game or from OTL I'm pleased and most eager to hear them.
 

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Looking at your vastly improved defensive setup, I am guessing you will get a nice prestige boost from winning battles. You have a quite small front, which is easily reinforced from heartland Korea with the exception of Chongjin, which I wouldn't even bother defending, as you might have a difficult time running a cyclic battle there, seeing as Kimchaek is probably going to be a battlefield.

On a side note, damn your soldiers for making me have to look those province names up by covering the middle letters. Now I will probably remember where Kimchaek is for the rest of my life.

Edit: And now I've read a bit about Kimchaek, and realized that it was called Songjin until the Korean War 1950-53. Thank you for giving me nitpick fodder, brave soldiers of virtual Japan.
 
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Japan's preparations, although directed against Russia, mean that you in a far better position to deal with the Chinese aggression. The forts, combined with the cycling of your armies in Korea, could draw in the Chinese and inflict huge casualties on them. You'll be able to hold the line and bleed China white, even without machine guns. However, assuming the early exchanges go as well as anticipated, your vastly improved supply makes a counter attack appear far less costly.

It is interesting that the Chinese, hurting from their defeat by the UK, and looking for swift justice by picking on what they feel is a weaker foe. Japan did this itself in Korea, but I fear the Chinese have vastly underestimated the modernisation that the Japanese army has undergone. You also have the advantage of not being fresh out a bruising war against Russia this time around. Japanese Manchuria may be on the horizon...

Great stuff Rensslaer, looking forward to seeing how the war unfolds!
 
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Good update. You managed very well to "send me" to this Victorian (but alternative) world (hope you understood that :)).

Your forces will probably not take too much losses before they get the shining new machine guns. I think you should be save after that, and might be able to occupy some territories after they have broken their armies.
 

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Japan began to examine large machinery, such as was used in the publishing industry. This could lead to future developments that would aid in factory production.

First comes large machinery, then miniaturization, then Western music and culture, then Godzilla! It's starting...

Gotta love China. Get beat by the British, so lets take it out on poor old Japan. I have a feeling they are in for another rude awakening.

Nice cliffhanger, BTW.
 

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Very interesting to see how this goes.

Welcome, Tate43! Thanks!

another great update

Thanks!

Oh come on China, give the japanese a break!

Yes! Preach it! :)

Interesting -- if not wholly unexpected -- development with China. I suspect that Chinese formations will be permitted to exhaust themselves against a dug-in and fortified Japanese army to be followed by a Japanese counter-offensive which should enjoy local superiority.

While I am confident that Japanese arms are sufficient to protect their Korean colonies I'm not convinced that they're sufficient to force much in the way of concessions from the Chinese. Is your navy sufficient for a blockade? If so, are you willing to consider a naval blockade? From a game perspective the warscore from a blockade, bloody victories in defense of Korea, and a several captured provinces should be sufficient to force a concession or two from China. From the role-playing perspective ... would European interests permit the Japanese (at this point in history) to disrupt trade with China? Good relations with the Americans might convince the Americans to acquiesce. I'm not certain that the rest of the western powers would tolerate such a disruption of their interests in China. I emphasize "their" in the previous sentence as I don't believe that anyone cared a damn for China outside of what they could take from China. Of course if you have some insights or knowledge that I missed in the game or from OTL I'm pleased and most eager to hear them.

Vanilla V2 doesn't reflect foreign displeasure at a blockade (not sure if later versions do). I do have a full blockade up (I'd meant to show that if I hadn't already), but my ships aren't really sufficient to do much in a blockade.

Looking at your vastly improved defensive setup, I am guessing you will get a nice prestige boost from winning battles. You have a quite small front, which is easily reinforced from heartland Korea with the exception of Chongjin, which I wouldn't even bother defending, as you might have a difficult time running a cyclic battle there, seeing as Kimchaek is probably going to be a battlefield.

On a side note, damn your soldiers for making me have to look those province names up by covering the middle letters. Now I will probably remember where Kimchaek is for the rest of my life.

Edit: And now I've read a bit about Kimchaek, and realized that it was called Songjin until the Korean War 1950-53. Thank you for giving me nitpick fodder, brave soldiers of virtual Japan.

lol Good for you! :) You'll see the battle warscore in an update or two, and will see a problem I have... ;) I won't spoil the surprise.

Japan's preparations, although directed against Russia, mean that you in a far better position to deal with the Chinese aggression. The forts, combined with the cycling of your armies in Korea, could draw in the Chinese and inflict huge casualties on them. You'll be able to hold the line and bleed China white, even without machine guns. However, assuming the early exchanges go as well as anticipated, your vastly improved supply makes a counter attack appear far less costly.

It is interesting that the Chinese, hurting from their defeat by the UK, and looking for swift justice by picking on what they feel is a weaker foe. Japan did this itself in Korea, but I fear the Chinese have vastly underestimated the modernisation that the Japanese army has undergone. You also have the advantage of not being fresh out a bruising war against Russia this time around. Japanese Manchuria may be on the horizon...

Great stuff Rensslaer, looking forward to seeing how the war unfolds!

Thanks! Great assessment. Yes, Japan is in a much better position this time.

So the chinese are at it again ...make them pay this time! machine guns aren't far now!

My problem is that "not far" might still be tens of thousands of deaths... Grr...

I expect the Emperor is a Jacobin sympathiser. One Man, One Vote. And the man with the vote is the Emperor. ;)

:D Indeed.

Good update. You managed very well to "send me" to this Victorian (but alternative) world (hope you understood that :)).

Your forces will probably not take too much losses before they get the shining new machine guns. I think you should be save after that, and might be able to occupy some territories after they have broken their armies.

Great! Hope you enjoy it!

First comes large machinery, then miniaturization, then Western music and culture, then Godzilla! It's starting...

Gotta love China. Get beat by the British, so lets take it out on poor old Japan. I have a feeling they are in for another rude awakening.

Nice cliffhanger, BTW.

Thanks! Godzilla! I love it! Actually, that's a parallel part of the Japanese adoption of western ideas that I didn't mention, but it's certainly true.

All right, folks... Another update tomorrow! Thanks again for your readership, and your kind comments!

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I'm surprised that you didn't jump on China while Britain was pounding them... the timing would have been off, but getting some help holding down the many-tentacled-monster that is China would have been nice and you might have gotten some real-estate out of it.

Push for whatever army inventions you can get, put in the best leaders, buy the best supplies, dig in... and pray. You need to kill a lot of Chinese without taking heavy casualties yourself, and you need to get something out of the war if and when the tide turns. Oh, and pull out every dirty, devious trick you can think of. Now's the time to convince China not to ever do this again.

Just on a side note, your signature is getting cluttered (you are prolific if not prolix). Why no Inkwell listing? Just curious.
 

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Vanilla V2 doesn't reflect foreign displeasure at a blockade (not sure if later versions do). I do have a full blockade up (I'd meant to show that if I hadn't already), but my ships aren't really sufficient to do much in a blockade.

I don't believe that the later versions simulate foreign displeasure with blockades nor any mods of which I am aware. I suspect it would be a nightmare to program any such behavior. My curiosity was piqued when I saw the fleet in your final picture and I wondered where you might go with such issues. Thank you for the response. I now wait in eager anticipation for the resolution of this unfortunate conflict. ;)