Makes me feel like playing Uno but every 2nd card I pick up gets me punched in the stomach.
Serbia getting guaranteed independence by Hungary or Ottomans in 8/10 Albania games really suc*s
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It has nothing to do with Albania but Serbia getting guaranteed independence by Ottomans is ridiculous. It was the first thing after Constantinople that Mehmed II conquered Serbia.
You really need to have never played Albania to think that. Hungary and Ottomans guaranteeing Serbia takes away your only way to expand. The optimal strategy for Albania is to quickly expand in the early game so that the Ottomans are crushed and you are safe. Without annexing Serbia the only thing you can do is attack Venice and join the HRE wich won`t protect you since the Ottomans will be strong enough to beat Austria and its allies. But why am I even telling you you probably though it was harder to play Albania in patch 1.22
It was harder to play Albania in patch 1.22
Want me to go into detail or can we settle this discussion?
Expanding into Serbia as your only Albania opener. I'm almost amused.
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No. Attacking Venice is the opposite of what you want to do. Venice is guaranteeing you. When the Ottomans declare war on you, they (and their vassals) will come to your aid. You already have an amazing general, so all you need to defeat the Ottomans is manpower, which the Venetians are handing you on a plate.
You crush the Ottomans, slaughter their troops, occupy their provinces. And if you're lucky, then the chain reaction begins: The Mamluks see the Turks are weak and declare war. Then Hungary does. Then Wallachia. Karaman. Trebizod. By the time you make peace, the Turks will be overrun by the next wave of invasions. By the time they eventually make peace, they'll be bankrupt - probably just as your own ceasefire with them times out and you declare war on them, hopefully starting the next wave of Ottoman-badtimes.
Edit: to put it in perspective: I've seen the AI Albania kick the shit out of the Ottomans using this tactic. Now, usually the Ottomans manage to eventually get the upper hand and win the war (before the chain reaction begins), but that's because the AI isn't smart enough to coordinate its actions (Albania and the Venetian split up, allowing the Ottomans to beat them individually), but a human player shouldn't have that problem.
If you want to make dick comparisons with some screenshots there are threads for that, but you aren`t proving a point, miss the point of this thread completely and look like a fool.
I tried that the majority of the time ,with wich I mean the 4 times I used the strategy before I got too bored from it, I lost due to Venice far away leading to my army being stackiped. Serbia never allowed me military access in those wars. I also generally hate games where I can`t start a war right in the beginning like with Naples or Sweden if all of Denmarks Rivals are landlocked.
It's to prevent the other one from conquering them, I fail to see the issue. You're playing a nation stuck between more powerful ones, what do you expect them to do? Sit there idly and not exert their influence in your region?
I try to live by a rule of thumb that states that "git gud" types of posts are always stupid...but just because you haven't done it/won't do it doesn't mean it's wrong.
I just generally give up on strategys if they don`t seem consistant to me. If I have a strategy with Sweden where I can eat half of Novgord every game outside of a few unlucky ones and a Strategy wich makes me eat half of England but it takes some RNG and very good conditions then I will prefer the Novgorod one.
Albania probably isn't a nation for you then. The closest thing to a consistent strategy is going to be taking advantage of Venice's guarantee.
What? Just no-cb someone, vassalize them, and core next to them. Georgian minors/Circassia is probably the best bet, as per usual.
1)ally hungary(starts friendly)
2)Let ottoman dow you
3)crush him with your 3 star general and hungarian , venetian forces combined
while your forces are still weaker your general can guarantee victory
2)Let ottoman dow you
3)crush him with your 3 star general and hungarian , venetian forces combined
while your forces are still weaker your general can guarantee victory
Awwww, so the game generated context doesnt form exactly in the most suitable way for your intended expansion?
How inconvenient. Almost like all these countries around you have their own interests.
How inconvenient. Almost like all these countries around you have their own interests.
While I fully agree with picking a near-guaranteed strong strategy instead of a riskier outstanding one, I do believe you are too rigid here. For me, the natural first step is to assess the new circumstances and make a specific plan for that setup instead of searching for a catch-all one. A key part of strategy is to be willing to adapt the strategies, or even throw the out of the window, when needed.
Similarly in chess, you can become moderately successful by playing the same opening against everyone, due to understanding the nuances to such depth. However, players capable of picking their opening depending on what the opponent is least comfortable with tend to do even better. The situation is much the same here.
I was curious because I haven't played Albania in many patches, and it seems to me it has indeed never been easier, at least since they removed the free diplo slot for the player. The guarantee from Venice buys you time to ally Hungary. It sucks not being able to ally Austria anymore, but you can find ways to play around that.
If you dislike no CB wars, what I did was simply to annex Serbia when Venice attacked them (they were not guaranteed/allied to anyone), to attack Venice with Hungary when the Ottomans attacked Venice, and from then I could join the HRE. Seems that the luck factor is moderate with such a strat given the starting situation of Albania. If anything, bad luck because Hungary was allied with TO for once so they were crippled early, and then they accepted the union with Austria so I lost my only valuable ally.
That's still suboptimal, but I don't think you need more than 4-5 restarts to do something similar unless you really have bad luck.
And the no CB in the Caucasus is easier and better than it has ever been, there are tons of new tags so more dev, and more opportunities.
I wouldn't say Albania is easy, but this is definitely not the impossible start it was around 1.22 when the Ottomans attacked Albania in early 1445 pretty much every game.
If you dislike no CB wars, what I did was simply to annex Serbia when Venice attacked them (they were not guaranteed/allied to anyone), to attack Venice with Hungary when the Ottomans attacked Venice, and from then I could join the HRE. Seems that the luck factor is moderate with such a strat given the starting situation of Albania. If anything, bad luck because Hungary was allied with TO for once so they were crippled early, and then they accepted the union with Austria so I lost my only valuable ally.
That's still suboptimal, but I don't think you need more than 4-5 restarts to do something similar unless you really have bad luck.
And the no CB in the Caucasus is easier and better than it has ever been, there are tons of new tags so more dev, and more opportunities.
I wouldn't say Albania is easy, but this is definitely not the impossible start it was around 1.22 when the Ottomans attacked Albania in early 1445 pretty much every game.