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Well it would a bit discriminatory to single him out. If he didn't present that one, I am sure someone else would have, as I understand the details had been worked out by a group. Thus, the only way to stop him putting forth new amendments is to stop all of us from doing so. Which is why I asked whether you wanted to move that the debate on the budget be closed, which would accomplish that objective. Alternatively, we could individually choose to remain silent and the Speaker would figure out that it was time to close the debate. I can work next Sunday's sermon or write an article for Peer's, so I don't mind not debating. However, if someone brings up a point, I might want to respond.
"I have to say that the amount proposed for the environment is woefully inadequate. We've had over 50 years to foul up this nation with pollution and that measly amount budgeted for the environment won't even make a ripple against all the environmental sludge that has been dropped on Eutopia for half a century and more.
I plan on introducing a sweeping bill on the environment once we are done with the budget. We have to breath the air, drink the water, our children play on ground that has been saturated with chemicals for decades. It is no wonder that health costs are soaring. It is an indisputable fact that health care costs markedly increase with a polluted environment. This is something we MUST do something about. Soon. This nation has had no true environmental protection for far too long. Budgeting such a piddling amount for the environment is tantamount to saying that the politicians of Eutopia don't CARE about the environment that the PEOPLE of Eutopia have to live in. It's shameful, really. It is a deep and abiding shame that should have been haunting us for many years. But it is not yet too late to fix. But it has to be done now. Not years from now.
I would find a commission to study the levels of pollution in Eutopia very interesting reading. I hope perhaps the MoI will do it. Perhaps then you all would see what I see and come to fully understand the grave peril we and our children are all in. A peril that threatens everything there is in Eutopia."
I plan on introducing a sweeping bill on the environment once we are done with the budget. We have to breath the air, drink the water, our children play on ground that has been saturated with chemicals for decades. It is no wonder that health costs are soaring. It is an indisputable fact that health care costs markedly increase with a polluted environment. This is something we MUST do something about. Soon. This nation has had no true environmental protection for far too long. Budgeting such a piddling amount for the environment is tantamount to saying that the politicians of Eutopia don't CARE about the environment that the PEOPLE of Eutopia have to live in. It's shameful, really. It is a deep and abiding shame that should have been haunting us for many years. But it is not yet too late to fix. But it has to be done now. Not years from now.
I would find a commission to study the levels of pollution in Eutopia very interesting reading. I hope perhaps the MoI will do it. Perhaps then you all would see what I see and come to fully understand the grave peril we and our children are all in. A peril that threatens everything there is in Eutopia."
Per von Hapsburg rises and says, in a mixture of a Germanic and Recieved Pronunciation accent:
"Per Speaker,
The Member from Gloriana wishes for his fellow comrades and legislators to get over the budget already. If anyone tries to amend anything else, I will-" Brandishing the stich he has been leaning on "-possibly cause physical injury to said legislator, and various other things."
"Per Speaker,
The Member from Gloriana wishes for his fellow comrades and legislators to get over the budget already. If anyone tries to amend anything else, I will-" Brandishing the stich he has been leaning on "-possibly cause physical injury to said legislator, and various other things."
Does Mr. von Hapburg wish to move that we close debate on the budget? That would accomplish your desire, without the bodily mahyem.
Stands up and glares at von Hapsburg. "I'm half way tempted to introduce a new ammendment just to see if you're really the brute you claim to be. Frankly, I find your threats of physical violence to be absolutely appalling and a disgrace to the democratic ideals of our nation. Debate and discussion are mandated by our Constitution and our High Court. They are a cornerstone of any true open, democratic society. Only simpletons and tyrants would oppose the free exchange of ideas. I suspect you, sir, are both."
"However, it seems your entire party does not put a premimium on debate. They instead prefer to complain about those that suggest alternatives, but offer up little to no remarks on those alternative or why their ideas are superior. Since you party is so determined to end debate, I'll oblige you in one moment. First I'd like to address a few comments that have been made."
"Per Park, I'd like to thank you for your support in this matter. I'm pleased that your party sees the value of compromise."
"President Al'Aeshir, I would agree with you that Eutopia does need some sort of enviromental legislation. However, I'd like to see a report on exactly what we are dealing with, so we can address it properly. If the remedy does require significant federal funding, the surplus is a possible source. One of the ideas being batted around is to use the surplus as a reserve fund to fund any legislation passed this term. Should any funds remain after the term expires, they could be put towards a rebate for our tax payers. That should address any needs your legislation has."
"That said, I second the motion to end debate. If the ENP has nothing to offer, I say we put it to a vote."
"Mr. Speaker, we now have three motions in the docket, one budget proposal, and one amendment to that budget proposal. The first motion was my motion to end all debate on issues prior to the current amendment proposal. Debate has ended, so that motion as already been enacted defacto and may not be needed. I am willing to withdraw that motion if you feel it is no longer necessary. The second motion is to delay the vote on the President's budget until the newest amendment can be discussed. It has been discussed and there is now a motion to end debate, so I would also be willing to withdraw this motion if you feel it is no longer needed."
"The third is a motion to suspend debate on the current amendment. I suggest we put this to a vote immediately, or you can simply rule that debate has concluded as a Speaker. Three parties have expressed interest in ending debate. If that is the case, I would assume Per von Hapsburg would be willing to withdraw his motion for sake of expediting the process. Should you find it neccessary to put the motion to a vote and it passes, we should then put the amendment to a vote immediately. If you rule that debate is over, we can procede directly to voting on the amendment. Once the amendment's fate is decided, we can then vote upon the budget itself."
"However, it seems your entire party does not put a premimium on debate. They instead prefer to complain about those that suggest alternatives, but offer up little to no remarks on those alternative or why their ideas are superior. Since you party is so determined to end debate, I'll oblige you in one moment. First I'd like to address a few comments that have been made."
"Per Park, I'd like to thank you for your support in this matter. I'm pleased that your party sees the value of compromise."
"President Al'Aeshir, I would agree with you that Eutopia does need some sort of enviromental legislation. However, I'd like to see a report on exactly what we are dealing with, so we can address it properly. If the remedy does require significant federal funding, the surplus is a possible source. One of the ideas being batted around is to use the surplus as a reserve fund to fund any legislation passed this term. Should any funds remain after the term expires, they could be put towards a rebate for our tax payers. That should address any needs your legislation has."
"That said, I second the motion to end debate. If the ENP has nothing to offer, I say we put it to a vote."
"Mr. Speaker, we now have three motions in the docket, one budget proposal, and one amendment to that budget proposal. The first motion was my motion to end all debate on issues prior to the current amendment proposal. Debate has ended, so that motion as already been enacted defacto and may not be needed. I am willing to withdraw that motion if you feel it is no longer necessary. The second motion is to delay the vote on the President's budget until the newest amendment can be discussed. It has been discussed and there is now a motion to end debate, so I would also be willing to withdraw this motion if you feel it is no longer needed."
"The third is a motion to suspend debate on the current amendment. I suggest we put this to a vote immediately, or you can simply rule that debate has concluded as a Speaker. Three parties have expressed interest in ending debate. If that is the case, I would assume Per von Hapsburg would be willing to withdraw his motion for sake of expediting the process. Should you find it neccessary to put the motion to a vote and it passes, we should then put the amendment to a vote immediately. If you rule that debate is over, we can procede directly to voting on the amendment. Once the amendment's fate is decided, we can then vote upon the budget itself."
Woody, in a calm voice, says:
"Colin Leary said it somehwhat long-windedly, but what I think he means, in parliamentary terms is: 'Does anyone have any objections to ending the debate on his amendment and does any objections to ending debate on the budget? If so would they please speak up now! If no one does within a reasonable time frame, the Speaker or Speaker Pro-Tem should rule that debate is closed and open the amendment for voting, to be followed by voting on the budget, in its original or amended form, depending on how the voting goes on the amendment.'
In the meantime, so those of us that want to end debate don't have to just sit hear listening to a non-musical version of the 'Sounds of Silence', I would suggest that those wishing to bring bills before this body begin to file them at the Speaker's Office so others can begin analyzing them, perhaps making helpful suggestions before the bill gets to the floor, thereby cutting down on the time consuming amendment process, and so the Speaker or Speaker pro-tem can decide an appropriate order for them to be introduced and considered, subject of course to the overall wishes of this body."
"Colin Leary said it somehwhat long-windedly, but what I think he means, in parliamentary terms is: 'Does anyone have any objections to ending the debate on his amendment and does any objections to ending debate on the budget? If so would they please speak up now! If no one does within a reasonable time frame, the Speaker or Speaker Pro-Tem should rule that debate is closed and open the amendment for voting, to be followed by voting on the budget, in its original or amended form, depending on how the voting goes on the amendment.'
In the meantime, so those of us that want to end debate don't have to just sit hear listening to a non-musical version of the 'Sounds of Silence', I would suggest that those wishing to bring bills before this body begin to file them at the Speaker's Office so others can begin analyzing them, perhaps making helpful suggestions before the bill gets to the floor, thereby cutting down on the time consuming amendment process, and so the Speaker or Speaker pro-tem can decide an appropriate order for them to be introduced and considered, subject of course to the overall wishes of this body."
(we had them before so is it safe for me to appoint a deputy speaker? If so then Sir Edmund Mycroft of enp shall be the deputy if passepartout wants it 
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In view of Mr. Lundgren's unfortunate family situation, I shall accept his offer of the position of Deputy Speaker, and take up the position provided there are no objections.
Mr. von Hapsburg, the withdrawal of your amendment is accepted. Now, once I get oriented, I can get on to all the other business I will have to deal with.
Mr. von Hapsburg, the withdrawal of your amendment is accepted. Now, once I get oriented, I can get on to all the other business I will have to deal with.
jacob-Lundgren said:(we had them before so is it safe for me to appoint a deputy speaker? If so then Sir Edmund Mycroft of enp shall be the deputy if passepartout wants it
(OOC: Yeah, that's fine. That'll be a lot easier than trying to conduct a Speaker election in the middle of a budget debate.
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Jim Sykes stands up.
Pers, the president has submitted a new proposal that I present to you hear. I think it's a fair compromise and I urge you to second and vote on this.
Pers, the president has submitted a new proposal that I present to you hear. I think it's a fair compromise and I urge you to second and vote on this.
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Changes From 1st Prop.
President
Government Admin 4.5 0
Defense 9 0
Foreign Intelligence 1.5 -.5
Foreign Aid 0.5 0
Foreign Affairs 1.5 -1
Total 17 -1.5
Attorney General
Federal Law Enf. 5.5 0
Domestic Intelligence 2 0
Border Protection 1 0
Court System 3 0
Total 11.5 0
Interior Minister
Land Transportation 3 -1
Air Transportation 1.5 -.5
Sea Transportation 3.5 +.5
Coast Guard 3 0
Environ. Protection 1 0
National Parks 1.25 -.75
Postal Service 1 0
Government Media 2.75 +.25
Total 17 -2
Finance Minister
Industry and Labor 6.5 +.5
Trade and Customs 4 0
Natural Resources 3 0
Treasury Enforcement 2 0
Total 15.5 +.5
Public Health 9 +1
Welfare 12 +3
Omnicare 8 +2
Sports .5 0
Education 4 +1
Science and Research 2 0
Drug Control 1.75 -.75
Total 36.25 +6.25
President 17 -1.5
Attorney General 11.5 0
Interior Minister 17 -2
Finace Minister 15.5 +.5
Social Minister 36.25 +6.25
Surplus 2.25 -2.75
Total 100 0Von Hapsburg, returning to the chamber, rather dejected, speaks up.
"I second this motion."
He then asks, "Will someone beat me for this?"
"I second this motion."
He then asks, "Will someone beat me for this?"
We use a decimal system, not halves, quarters, and eighths! We are trying to make a budget, not music. Wouldn't it have been easier to allocate 2.7 or 2.8 to Government Media instead of 2.75, or are we be going to accept amendments to increase it to 2.76 or reduce it to 2.74?
The proposal worked out between the Speaker and Colin Leary appears ready to be voted on, but what it changes are now different. In fact, it seems that President has moved towards their suggestions in some areas, and thus represents an improvement on the originally submitted budget, so I would like to thank the President and his staff for their continued efforts. However, I still prefer the amended proposal, and urge people to vote for that, because it contains a smaller increase for defense, a reasonable level of funding for the postal service, and no increase for the failed programs of drug control.
The proposal worked out between the Speaker and Colin Leary appears ready to be voted on, but what it changes are now different. In fact, it seems that President has moved towards their suggestions in some areas, and thus represents an improvement on the originally submitted budget, so I would like to thank the President and his staff for their continued efforts. However, I still prefer the amended proposal, and urge people to vote for that, because it contains a smaller increase for defense, a reasonable level of funding for the postal service, and no increase for the failed programs of drug control.
As the matter stands, I believe I am correct in seeing two duely seconded motions proposing a budget. I am going to give this a few more minutes, and then will close debate and call for a vote on which one of these budgets to adopt. If you wish to say something on these budgets, say it now.