Self-Relations

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Hi all. Long-time lurker, first-time poster. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the point of a nation having relations to itself. It seems like after a few decades in all my games my nation's self-relations are very bad (dark red on the diplo screen). What makes this happen? How does it affect the rest of the game?

I also tend to have relations in the -190s with most of Europe too, no matter which country I am, even when I don't have a very high BB. Are they just jealous of my success?

 

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Originally posted by Dashnon
Hi all. Long-time lurker, first-time poster. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the point of a nation having relations to itself. It seems like after a few decades in all my games my nation's self-relations are very bad (dark red on the diplo screen). What makes this happen? How does it affect the rest of the game?

I also tend to have relations in the -190s with most of Europe too, no matter which country I am, even when I don't have a very high BB. Are they just jealous of my success?

Probably jealousy.

It's dangerous to be in the dark red with a major nation, because it will probably want to stab you in the back if you're attacked by another enemy.

 

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Oh yeah... A religion change usually worsens the relations between the countries.

 

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BB rating usually affects your self-relation. Getting money in wars helps raise it so i've heard. If it's blood red there is a chance there will be a civil war in your country.

 

[saskganesh]

welcome dashon. great avatar

that screen is very depressing for as the game moves on, its a crimson tide.

bocaj: blood red= >civil war? more stuff to learn.

 

[Stonewall]

Chances for a civil war is mainly determined by stability. If you have a low stability for long enough you will get provinces revolting and if enough provinces are under rebel control the government will be broken. As far as I can tell, the only way a civil war can actually split your country is if you control a province contained in the revolt file, which will then declare independence. Either way, if rebels control you and the government i broken, so what, just retake those pesky rebel provinces at your leisure. Best example is Russia during the Time of Troubles. Revolts, desertions, civil war, the whole nine yards, but when is all said and done, its just an unplesant period, no long-term harm is usually done.

Without actually looking up your badboy rating, the self-relations is the best way to tell how bad you are...or if everyone declares war on you, that can be a good sign as well

 

[Morpheus506]

Am I right in thinking that if your gov't is broken, all annexed nations are automatically free??

 

[Stonewall]

Originally posted by Morpheus506
Am I right in thinking that if your gov't is broken, all annexed nations are automatically free??

Thats a good question. The only way a nation will break free and form a new one is if rebels take control of it and it is in the revolt text file. I'm not sure whether government being broken has anything to do with it, but I would think that your stability rating has an effect.

 

[Morpheus506]

I'm going to have to forcefully break my own government now just to see if it works....

 

[saskganesh]

Originally posted by Stonewall
Thats a good question. The only way a nation will break free and form a new one is if rebels take control of it and it is in the revolt text file. I'm not sure whether government being broken has anything to do with it, but I would think that your stability rating has an effect.

thats one of the more interesting events. government breaking could mean more than one independent nation forming as per the above...kind've extreme. also, if the country is at war when the gov't breaks, peace is immediatly signed, and all (i think) controlled provinces are ceded to the enemy as conquests. ouch.

so, don't fight foreign wars when you are in a civil war situation or facing a mass wave of domestic revolution. fun to watch though.