Will there be a special version of the game where you pay more in order to get future expansions or will it just be a standard edition?
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Season pass or Deluxe version?
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I very much doubt there will be. I seem to recall Johan voicing his dislike of the idea. Its a view I can get behind.
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I wouldn't mind having a deluxe edition with a "season pass". I've had the time to save up some money for this game now! People don't like the idea of paying that much money for a season pass, whilst they actually eventually slowly buy all the DLCs anyways, ending up in a hefty sum of around 200 euroes.
And if you don't like season passes and deluxe editions, don't buy it! It's all about having the freedom to be able to do that. Like paradox DLC policy, you can tailor what you want and don't want. Freedom!
And if you don't like season passes and deluxe editions, don't buy it! It's all about having the freedom to be able to do that. Like paradox DLC policy, you can tailor what you want and don't want. Freedom!
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Season passes are bad due to two reasons. First one is that you don't know what you really get. Its even worse than Pre-order or Early Access, because you don't even have the slightest clue if what you get will be worth the money. But since its their own fault If people do it, I'm fine with that.
Second is unnecessary pressure for the developers. If they are forced to deliver x amount of DLC in y time, things naturally won't be as good. I rather have them take as much time as they need with every single DLC, than having to rush because they promised something.
Also, if you talk about a one year season pass, it will cost as much as the single DLCs combined anyway. If you talk about a life-long "season" pass, I fail to see how spending 150 euros in advance is any better than buying the DLCs when they are out.
Additionally, I can't say this often enough, Paradox games are on sale about once every month after a rather short time.
Second is unnecessary pressure for the developers. If they are forced to deliver x amount of DLC in y time, things naturally won't be as good. I rather have them take as much time as they need with every single DLC, than having to rush because they promised something.
Also, if you talk about a one year season pass, it will cost as much as the single DLCs combined anyway. If you talk about a life-long "season" pass, I fail to see how spending 150 euros in advance is any better than buying the DLCs when they are out.
Additionally, I can't say this often enough, Paradox games are on sale about once every month after a rather short time.
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I think it was the x number of DLC in y time that I saw the devs say they didn't like.
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This is an insanely poor argument for anything that has an overarching effect on game design or the development process. And DLC/expansion/support policy most certainly does.
Furthermore, when you say you'd be happy to pay for a season pass, do you really mean you're ready to pay 100€ or so for the game and all upcoming DLC even if Paradox decides that the game isn't going to be viable for future expansions and decides to develop other games instead of HoI 4 content? Or would you prefer, in that case, for them to push mediocre content because they're obliged to because of the season pass model? As a season pass buyer I'd be riled up and on the barricades in either case. As a customer in the current model the first outcome would be ok, and the second one just worth a facepalm and moving on to better game companies.
If I will be able to choose, yes I would. If i wont, I don't mind. I know Paradox delivers, heck I would buy even if they don't. But judging from their previous hundreds of DLCs, I don't think it can't get less good, but just better. I trust them, and if given the choice, would buy a season pass. Because I end up buying DLCs that aren't even good rated, because I'm just a collector i guess. But hey, that's me!
Edit: Lets not forget that deluxe editions most of the times includes souvenirs, which i personally like and always like to get. Which is a big reason why I wouldn't mind that choice being available to purchase.
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Okay, let's assume YOU would, and Paradox has sold you a season pass that guarantees you a set amount of expansions in a specific time period. Then we get rushed expansions, because development takes time. Rushed expansions are mediocre garbage for anyone, not just you, which is why "but it's just an option" argument is invalid.
For comparison, in the usual DLC model, Pdox has to pay attention to creating appealing content for immediate profit. They're rewarded for sales, not making promises without being sure they can keep them. This system works far better because it encourages good content, not junk developed under contractual obligations.
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Paradox has never done season passes and I doubt they will change their policy. They are very good about putting older dlc on sale which Is a much better policy imo.
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Season pass is not the exact model I'd like, because as some have said it might put the devs in a difficult position or I might not be interested in a specific DLC (for example in EU4 I was not interested in Conquest of Paradise), but I would highly consider a 'Future DLC's Bundle' across the different franchises.
Say I could buy 5 15€ DLC's of my choosing in the next 2 years for an upfront payment of something less than the overall pricetag (example: total would be 75€, but I pay 70€, random number ofc). Across EU, HOI and whatever comes next, I'm sure there will be something I will like.
On a more general note, the industry is rapidly shifting to a different distribuition/delivery/paying model especially for yearly francises (which Paradox games kind of are). And not only the videogame industry, but the whole entertainment industry.
Say I could buy 5 15€ DLC's of my choosing in the next 2 years for an upfront payment of something less than the overall pricetag (example: total would be 75€, but I pay 70€, random number ofc). Across EU, HOI and whatever comes next, I'm sure there will be something I will like.
On a more general note, the industry is rapidly shifting to a different distribuition/delivery/paying model especially for yearly francises (which Paradox games kind of are). And not only the videogame industry, but the whole entertainment industry.
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i'd be content either way i end up buying everything anyways it seems, i like the pretty uniforms
No as Johan said he basically thinks up the DLCs after release so there's no telling how many there will be (so doesn't allow them to value the Season Pass properly)
I know they won't do it but I honestly don't mind putting up more money up front if I know the developer will follow through. I did the $100 founders version for Galactic Civilizations 3, which gets you everything for the game forever, and I don't regret it. Stardock, just like Paradox, likes to put out tons of small DLC and medium sized expansions. Since I already paid I look forward to the occasional email about some new DLC that has been added to my account. Of course, in that case they did promise up front that there would be X number of major expansions and numerous smaller DLC.
I think at this point we can rest assured that HOI4 and Stellaris will get tons of additional content for the next 5 years or so, judging by EU4 and CK2. But whatever, take my money now, take it later, I don't care just give me the game!
I think at this point we can rest assured that HOI4 and Stellaris will get tons of additional content for the next 5 years or so, judging by EU4 and CK2. But whatever, take my money now, take it later, I don't care just give me the game!
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The problem, as I see it, is that it is very difficult and expensive to buy the complete package of the baseline game + expansions. Take EUIV. I played the demo, and enjoyed watching the Developer multiplayer sessions. I know if I buy it, I'm gonna enjoy it and play many hours. But then I don't just want the baseline game (which is reasonable enough in price), I'd like to have the complete experience with all the major DLC's. I checked now, and the cheapest way to get the game is to buy the EUIV collection + the 3 newest DLC's. And all the DLC's have a "content pack" as well, which is confusing... The price for all that is 133 USD. (and then you're still missing some graphic and sound DLC's, but I don't care about that). The point being - there should always be an updated complete pack of the PDX-games that you can buy, to make it less confusing for newcomers. And, in my opinion, this pack should cost less than 133 USD. Games shouldn't only be for people with a high, steady income, but also for high school students etc. Anyway, I know photoshop is expensive too, but that's a tool you can make a lot of money out of if you are skilled.
Now, I'm probably gonna buy HOI4 anyway at release, but the DLC's better be damned good if I'm gonna use more money on them than the game itself originally costed.
Now, I'm probably gonna buy HOI4 anyway at release, but the DLC's better be damned good if I'm gonna use more money on them than the game itself originally costed.
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Well it isnt totally INVALID, I still like my tshirts and misc souvenirs, but yes I wouldn't prefer rushed DLCs. That is true.
Edit: But as said, if there's is a deluxe edition, nice. If there isnt, fine. Whatever
I fail to see how t-shirts fall into the category of "something that has an overarching effect on game design or development process".
Also, aren't deluxe editions typically bundles sold after all the relevant content is released? That's very different from selling stuff before it's done.
If i haven't made it clear enough, I like deluxe editions, I like souvenirs, I don't really mind season passes. If there's one I'll buy it since Im a colelctor, if there wont be one, I wont mind lol. I never said anything about "overarching effect on game design or development process". I just like nice things.
Edit: No deluxe editions are the version of the game released with some extra content. May it be a tshirt, soundtrack, a minor DLC, one or two sprites and is usually sold during release. I have in mind season passes are sold separately from deluxe editions, but dont quote me on that.
Edit: Really enjoyed this f.eg, I'm willing to geek out this much, that's why I don't mind season pass. But whatever, isn't the world.
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It is expensive, but as long as people keep buying it, and the value of the game keeps up with the quality of it and a good profit margin for the studio is made in combination, the prices stay pretty much the same. (40-50)
You should really think about getting all the DLCs(and frankly the base game too) during a sale. It's sometimes -75% off, so be patient my friend, and it will pay off! These games aren't especially aimed towards poor students with student loans, you see.
It's like complaining about the price apple products have. If i recall correctly Jobs said something like "We have record sales, people like what they get and are willing to pay the price we pitch. So we have to be doing something right". It's the same here, try to find other games to compare with CK or EU, it will be very hard to find something this "big", detailed and dynamic. (Not to mention still supported with regular updates and DLCs)
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