Sealion without Soviets

[jayswimmer]

I think I missed an update. I have successfully launched Sealion. I've avoided taking London to prevent triggering the Soviet bear. However, they still DoW me. Is there another trigger? I'm on latest upgrades.

 

[gunstickuncle]

The Soviet AI actually monitors the control of more than one single province (London).
Here is what I could find in their country-specific AI script:

function P.SealionCheck(voAxisAlliesRelation, voAxisFaction)
    -- Check for Sea Lion and if so lets get involved before its to late
    local laProvinceCheck = {
        1964, -- london
        2250, -- plymouth
        2135, -- bornmouth
        2021, -- dover
        1790, -- lowestoft
        1616, -- grimsby
        1524, -- hull
        1255, --newcastle
        1128, -- edinburgh
        894, -- aberdeen
        604, -- scapa flow
        2018} -- bristol

As you might see it's pretty hard to sealion successfully without taking any of these provinces. However, Soviets still need to be able to break the NAP, so if you sealion early and garrison the border very well (counting brigades here, not necessarily equivalent in firepower), they might not be able to do that for a while.

 

[Kovax]

As pointed out, launching an early Sealion does not affect the risk of an immediate Soviet DoW unless you garrison the eastern border heavily, in which case they will wait until they are allowed to declare. There is also a fairly decent chance that they will not attack.

The solution is to have the troops prepared to launch Barbarossa in the East while your troops in the West are invading England, so if the Soviets do decide to visit Berlin, you're all set to give them the kind of reception they deserve. Once the task in the west is complete, then at least half of that force can join the operation in the east (not that it takes a lot of troops to steamroll the British Isles).

 

[yamato2cz]

dont garrison borders. create pocket deeper in your territory and have soviets attack. then let them fill the pocket and f**k them up.
why? because you cant prevent them from attacking. atleast take advantage of it.

 

[Magraev]

I was also dow'ed by the Soviets after taking Glascow and Newcastle. I think I can subdue England with one full army and much Air-support, so the rest of my western army (almost) is trekking east to fight the commies.
After one huge sea-battle in the Channel the british sea-superiority in europe is broken (also thanks to my naval bombers).
Funnily there hasn't been much fighting in the east yet - I guess my forces are too well dug in to assault. The few attacks have been countered and only around Hungary (my ally) are we losing ground.

 

[fredgiblet]

dont garrison borders. create pocket deeper in your territory and have soviets attack. then let them fill the pocket and f**k them up.
why? because you cant prevent them from attacking. atleast take advantage of it.

This was my plan last time I played a half-length game as the Krauts. I had my forces along the original Polish border and I was going to swing around through the Slovakia and Hungary to encircle them. But doing it right would require micromanagement and I sorta gave up on it.

 

[fredgiblet]

The Soviet AI actually monitors the control of more than one single province (London).
Here is what I could find in their country-specific AI script:

Which file is that?

 

[yamato2cz]

Which file is that?

int "tfh" folder, open "script" folder, in there open "country" folder, then open "SOV.lua" file, ctrl + f "P.SealionCheck" without quiotes, remove function completely (so from "function P.SealionCheck to the "end" on function level"

this:

function P.SealionCheck(voAxisAlliesRelation, voAxisFaction)
    -- Check for Sea Lion and if so lets get involved before its to late
    local laProvinceCheck = {
        1964, -- london
        2250, -- plymouth
        2135, -- bornmouth
        2021, -- dover
        1790, -- lowestoft
        1616, -- grimsby
        1524, -- hull
        1255, --newcastle
        1128, -- edinburgh
        894, -- aberdeen
        604, -- scapa flow
        2018} -- bristol
   
    if voAxisAlliesRelation:HasWar() then   
        for i = 1, table.getn(laProvinceCheck) do
            loProvinceFaction = CCurrentGameState.GetProvince(laProvinceCheck[i]):GetController():GetCountry():GetFaction()
           
            -- Is the province controlled by the Axis
            if loProvinceFaction == voAxisFaction then
                return true
            end
        end
    end
   
    return false
end

completely remove.
there you go. no attack from russia.

 

[fredgiblet]

Sweet! Thanks.