Screenshots with Counters and OOB?

[BBBD316]

Well as far as the OOB goes for some players, like myself, I didn't care about 90% of these guys I had never heard of. I just plopped people anywhere and then put all my preferred guys into the one force so I could have Model, Gunner, Roms, etc in a power group.

The counters will annoy a percentage of fans, however they have not changed their mind so far and I think you will have to mod this in.

 

[Sprouts]

Might have to wait for a working HoI3 style counters mod. Paradox deserves the full price for IV, so I hope the mod appears quickly.

I just can’t see a grand strategy game with ‘miniatures’. And then the DLC will be every variant fighting vehicle found in World of Tanks. … Please just give me systems, interfaces, and A.I. that works and don’t spend much precious programming time on pretty bouncing pictures!

Mental image: Eisenhower in front of a huge map showing Overlord in detail. On the South England portion of the map little men do pushups.

We Hearts of Iron fans who have fond memories of Avalon Hill & SPI are probably a minority. I wouldn’t have thought we were so few that we would be ignored.

 

[Nicolas I]

Maybe they cling to the "sprites" because they played too much with toy soldiers when they were young, all happens before 5 years they say...

 

[Hiiri]

At least give some of us the option of having NATO counters instead of sprites, and a professional presentation that looks like a serious war game.

I support this idea. Give us the option so that everyone will instantly understand why it is such a terrible idea. Not only would it look unbelievably stupid in 3D, since you wouldn't have plates, but boxes with symbols on them. It would also cover all the useful map information underneath them, cut into mountains, hover over the sea etc. Amazing! Ugly and painful to use in one neat package!

No worries! It'll probably be moddable, so no dev time has to be wasted on some stupid nato boxes.

 

[Modestus]

I support this idea. Give us the option so that everyone will instantly understand why it is such a terrible idea. Not only would it look unbelievably stupid in 3D, since you wouldn't have plates, but boxes with symbols on them. It would also cover all the useful map information underneath them, cut into mountains, hover over the sea etc. Amazing! Ugly and painful to use in one neat package!

No worries! It'll probably be moddable, so no dev time has to be wasted on some stupid nato boxes.

I presume you do know that the little soldiers don’t actually climb over the mountains and that a tank is very similar to a box in fact its really two boxes with a cylindrical tube sticking out the front so if anything is going to clip into the side of a mountain my money is on the T-34.


But you do raise a valid point about Counters which is why they tend to be viewed from the top down like on something called a map.

A rather strange idea I will admit but apparently some Generals were known to use maps to create Battle Plans.

 

[jaredstanko]

i dont care about counters. i just want to know if there will be any of way to get rid of the godawful sprites

 

[BunnyPoopCereal]

i dont care about counters. i just want to know if there will be any of way to get rid of the godawful sprites

yes, you can just see their custom made boxes, not the nato counters but the ones with the helmets and the health bars...

 

[jaredstanko]

good enough for me. id like counters, but id rather have paradox informationals and no sprites, than counters + sprites, if i had to make that choice.

 

[No idea]

yes, you can just see their custom made boxes, not the nato counters but the ones with the helmets and the health bars...

That is just at high zoom. You can not get rid of the models unless you mod the game. And then, you wont get acees to some important info like where they are moving and so on. The game has been made to play with the models and the little boxes below, whether you like it or not.

 

[Shade205]

Not having a command hierarchy is a major disappointment in this upcoming war game. It really takes away from the immersion and historical realism... no more corps/armies/army groups... too much dumbing down... I think I will just keep on playing hoi 3 with the wonderful mods out there... UNLESS... modders can add the OOB into hoi 4... and bring back the need for oil and fuel to run your tanks and ships... and why not keep NATO style counters as an OPTION?

I would probably wait to actually play the game and see how it feels before making such harsh decisions and stances on the game.

 

[dav77-b]

That is NOT a counter, it is a symbol. Counters are things like the one in HoI 3. And that was what the OP was asking about.

Are you blind? HoI4 has exactly the same Counters as Hoi3:

 

[tommylotto]

That, my friend, is the division designer and has nothing to do with counters. There is an option to use NATO symbols in the division designer and on the HoiIV mini counter displayed below the 3D model, but there is no true stackable Hoi3-like counter option.

It is getting really old every time someone asks about counters, certain posters seem impelled to post this picture and spout misinformation. Then the misunderstanding spreads like a disease.

NATO icons are in. A true stackable Hoi3-like counter option is NOT.

 

[Modestus]

Are you blind? HoI4 has exactly the same Counters as Hoi3:

I believe there is something else, I think its an accountant sprite.

 

[Bernard Black]

Ohh its this tiresome discussion again, people telling each other what they want.

Why should the same arguments that didn't convince them a year ago to change their game make any difference now i wonder? I know making a lot of noise is quite important when you want to force a change, we can see it in politics as well as in our everyday lives, that the people who are the most persistent and annoying get what they want, no matter the quality of their argument while the silent and patient people get walked over, so i understand the regular revival of this topic. Likewise i engage in this not because i expect to change anyones minds, but rather to counter the impression that would arise if the discussion was left only to the self described "grognards" and "serious war-gamers" and "true HOI fans".

Little can be said, that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseum in this discussion. Like the fact counters come in a variety of shapes, forms and sizes by that standard there are counters in the game. No they are not the ones you want and yes the sprites (they are models not sprites if we are pedantic) cant be turned off. But all this stems from the misconception that you expect the game to be what you want it to be, rather than what the Devs want it to be.

Symptomatic of this is this quote:

For many of us this is first and foremost a WAR GAME.

Which was answered almost 2 years ago:

this is not a pure old-fashioned wargame.

Which should have tipped people off, as well as their comparisons to EUIV and CKII. Rather then trying to force your view on the game my advice is to wait for the release and then judge it on its own terms. A pleasant surprise can only be had if you keep you expectations moderate while only dissappointment can come from a mindset that projects all your wishes in a title. Dont do this pls, thats what Kickstarter is for. Many things are still not clear about the game, but one thing i think is very certain if you buy the game next year: "It's not the boardgame you were hoping for."

Regards

 

[Mevsrei]

The first issue was that there were many compliants about the size of the OOB in HOI3, so they have looked to pare it back. Have they gone too far? Perhaps, I think most players would have liked to have a slightly deeper OOB, but as no one besides a few have actually played we just need to wait and see.

What makes you think so? Most people (especially the casuals) don't even go to the forum. I hated OOB in HoI 3 and I didn't ever posted in the forum.
What you see in the forum are mostly hardcore fans who demand hardcore features, which are not speaking for even remotly "most people" who will later buy this game.

OOB was tedious in building up, maintaining and moving useless HQs arround for their bonus.

 

[safe-keeper]

Ohh its this tiresome discussion again, people telling each other what they want.

Why should the same arguments that didn't convince them a year ago to change their game make any difference now i wonder? I know making a lot of noise is quite important when you want to force a change, we can see it in politics as well as in our everyday lives, that the people who are the most persistent and annoying get what they want, no matter the quality of their argument while the silent and patient people get walked over, so i understand the regular revival of this topic. Likewise i engage in this not because i expect to change anyones minds, but rather to counter the impression that would arise if the discussion was left only to the self described "grognards" and "serious war-gamers" and "true HOI fans".

Little can be said, that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseum in this discussion. Like the fact counters come in a variety of shapes, forms and sizes by that standard there are counters in the game. No they are not the ones you want and yes the sprites (they are models not sprites if we are pedantic) cant be turned off. But all this stems from the misconception that you expect the game to be what you want it to be, rather than what the Devs want it to be.

Symptomatic of this is this quote:

Which was answered almost 2 years ago:


Which should have tipped people off, as well as their comparisons to EUIV and CKII. Rather then trying to force your view on the game my advice is to wait for the release and then judge it on its own terms. A pleasant surprise can only be had if you keep you expectations moderate while only dissappointment can come from a mindset that projects all your wishes in a title. Dont do this pls, thats what Kickstarter is for. Many things are still not clear about the game, but one thing i think is very certain if you buy the game next year: "It's not the boardgame you were hoping for."

Regards

Thank you.

i dont care about counters. i just want to know if there will be any of way to get rid of the godawful sprites

Easily modded.

 

[Zaku]

Ohh its this tiresome discussion again, people telling each other what they want.

Why should the same arguments that didn't convince them a year ago to change their game make any difference now i wonder? I know making a lot of noise is quite important when you want to force a change, we can see it in politics as well as in our everyday lives, that the people who are the most persistent and annoying get what they want, no matter the quality of their argument while the silent and patient people get walked over, so i understand the regular revival of this topic. Likewise i engage in this not because i expect to change anyones minds, but rather to counter the impression that would arise if the discussion was left only to the self described "grognards" and "serious war-gamers" and "true HOI fans".

Little can be said, that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseum in this discussion. Like the fact counters come in a variety of shapes, forms and sizes by that standard there are counters in the game. No they are not the ones you want and yes the sprites (they are models not sprites if we are pedantic) cant be turned off. But all this stems from the misconception that you expect the game to be what you want it to be, rather than what the Devs want it to be.

Symptomatic of this is this quote:

Which was answered almost 2 years ago:


Which should have tipped people off, as well as their comparisons to EUIV and CKII. Rather then trying to force your view on the game my advice is to wait for the release and then judge it on its own terms. A pleasant surprise can only be had if you keep you expectations moderate while only dissappointment can come from a mindset that projects all your wishes in a title. Dont do this pls, thats what Kickstarter is for. Many things are still not clear about the game, but one thing i think is very certain if you buy the game next year: "It's not the boardgame you were hoping for."

Regards

Great post!

 

[Peter Wass]

Might have to wait for a working HoI3 style counters mod. Paradox deserves the full price for IV, so I hope the mod appears quickly.

I just can’t see a grand strategy game with ‘miniatures’. And then the DLC will be every variant fighting vehicle found in World of Tanks. … Please just give me systems, interfaces, and A.I. that works and don’t spend much precious programming time on pretty bouncing pictures!

Mental image: Eisenhower in front of a huge map showing Overlord in detail. On the South England portion of the map little men do pushups.

We Hearts of Iron fans who have fond memories of Avalon Hill & SPI are probably a minority. I wouldn’t have thought we were so few that we would be ignored.

Neither would he have been rooting through matchboxes for little bits of card with lines on them. I guess paradox need to replace everything with lovely wooden blocks.

 

[jaredstanko]

wait you cant get rid of the models? has PDX or another dev ever stated this?

 

[safe-keeper]

wait you cant get rid of the models? has PDX or another dev ever stated this?

I just answered that...