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[Will Steel]

Alternatively they might just rename '1922' to something like "Interwar" or "1922 and before". And do the same for tanks (looking at you, Leichttraktor) and other stuff. It is far better than grouping everything into a single year.

By the way, just asking out of curiosity - was there any ships in any nation that had served in WW1 from the beginning (i.e. they were older than 1914) and were still around in commission in 1936?

 

[Admiral Piett]

Alternatively they might just rename '1922) to something like "Interwar" or "1922 and before". And do the same for tanks (looking at you, Leichttraktor) and other stuff. It is far better than grouping everything into a single year.

By the way, just asking out of curiosity - was there any ships in any nation that had served in WW1 from the beginning (i.e. they were older than WW1) and were still around in commission in 1936?

Yes. Kongo-class battle cruisers being one such example.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

France had three pre-1914 dreadnoughts in service in January 1936, and the Germans either two or three.

 

[tommylotto]

I assume they will use the variant system to differentiate between the various level I ships in the starting OOB's.

 

[Caesar15]

It saddens me that Indian re-independence is a British focus tree point. I mean, it should've been on the British Raj tree logically, considering Britain would never leave India by itself, they had to be kicked out by INC and Gandhi through 90 years of effort, facing the atrocious brutality, toil and death at British hands. It was only when Gandhi stalled the country completely from economy to bureaucracy and made it unworkable, when the Indian army under British service was on the brink of mutiny, and when Britons had no strength left to fight a civil war after WW2, that they were finally kicked out.

British Raj should have a focus option which allows it to regain freedom peacefully (if Gandhi is represented), or go to war against the Britons, peacefully regain freedom at the cost of splintering into pieces (as in history, if Nehru and Jinnah are represented), or transition into a mostly-independent dominion but still remain a British ally.

Where do you see the Indian re-independence focus point?

 

[Will Steel]

Where do you see the Indian re-independence focus point?

It is not in these screenshots, but it was visible during the video. Not far from the Fortify East Asia tree, I think.

Yes. Kongo-class battle cruisers being one such example.

France had three pre-1914 dreadnoughts in service in January 1936, and the Germans either two or three.

Ah, thanks. It seems all of them had been reconstructed and modified heavily from their original form by 1936.

 

[LTPugh]

It saddens me that Indian re-independence is a British focus tree point. I mean, it should've been on the British Raj tree logically, considering Britain would never leave India by itself, they had to be kicked out by INC and Gandhi through 90 years of effort, facing the atrocious brutality, toil and death at British hands. It was only when Gandhi stalled the country completely from economy to bureaucracy and made it unworkable, when the Indian army under British service was on the brink of mutiny, and when Britons had no strength left to fight a civil war after WW2, that they were finally kicked out.

British Raj should have a focus option which allows it to regain freedom peacefully (if Gandhi is represented), or go to war against the Britons, peacefully regain freedom at the cost of splintering into pieces (as in history, if Nehru and Jinnah are represented), or transition into a mostly-independent dominion but still remain a British ally.

While India probably starts with a generic tech-tree since it's not one of the majors, I'd assume it's rather high on the significant mediums that deserve their own focus tree. There's no saying that they both couldn't have the focus and India's could be either peaceful or violent.

Just a thought of course, probably pretty easy to mod in as well.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Ah, thanks. It seems all of them had been reconstructed and modified heavily from their original form by 1936.

Well, the Courbet and Paris had been modernized once, but were still well far behind other classes from the same era. The Océan hadn't been modernized, and was scrapped later in 1936.

None of the three German battleships were ever modernized, and one was scrapped later in 1936.

There are other examples, such as the Italian Navy. Some of theirs were modernized, though.

Anyway, the point is that there were a fair number of ~1910 era battleships still around in 1936, both modernized and not modernized, and so the 1922 era tech is fundamentally inadequate. You can't have pre-dreds, dreds, super-dreds and early Treaty battleships lumped together.

 

[Axe99]

Ah, thanks. It seems all of them had been reconstructed and modified heavily from their original form by 1936.

They still had 12" guns and less armour than 1915 BBs, let alone 1922 BBs. The Schliesen and Schleswig-Holstein (Germany's two pre-1910 BBs) were ancient. The thing about 1922 is that it lumps together pre-dreadnoughts (in the navies of Germany (2), France (2) and Greece (one ex-US BB)) with WW1-BBs (10 British, 7 US, 3 USSR, 4 Japanese, 3 French), the post-Jutland, pre-treaty BBs (2 Japan, 5 US) and post-treaty, pre-1936 BBs (2 British). In a perfect world, they'd be a step between the first 12" Dreadnoughts and the 15" Queen Elizabeths (note - numbers are a quick scan of my spreadsheet, I may have missed some - and only counts BBs operational (or being refit) in 1936).

The thing is that in terms of the WW2 period, there are more BBs in the 1922 bracket, which represents a far larger spectrum of BB development, than there is in 1936, 1940 and 1944 combined (both numbers of BBs and development).

Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with the decision in-game, HoI3 wasn't that much different, but no harm in some of us wanting something a bit more accurate in terms of force capabilities at game start.

 

[Le_Carabinier]

Seeing the Scharnhorst as a 1922-level tech makes me feel upset.

 

[GeneralPetrov]

It saddens me that Indian re-independence is a British focus tree point. I mean, it should've been on the British Raj tree logically, considering Britain would never leave India by itself, they had to be kicked out by INC and Gandhi through 90 years of effort, facing the atrocious brutality, toil and death at British hands. It was only when Gandhi stalled the country completely from economy to bureaucracy and made it unworkable, when the Indian army under British service was on the brink of mutiny, and when Britons had no strength left to fight a civil war after WW2, that they were finally kicked out.

British Raj should have a focus option which allows it to regain freedom peacefully (if Gandhi is represented), or go to war against the Britons, peacefully regain freedom at the cost of splintering into pieces (as in history, if Nehru and Jinnah are represented), or transition into a mostly-independent dominion but still remain a British ally.

I think you need to retake a few history lessons if you think this.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Any updates?

 

[Sleight of Hand]

British armored and naval tech:

Definitely needs a bit of work, but I suppose this is only Alpha?

 

[GeneralPetrov]

British armored and naval tech:

Definitely needs a bit of work, but I suppose this is only Alpha?

Looking good so far. They're in beta now.

 

[tommylotto]

From the picture, it looks like the 25 ton Matilda II infantry tank is the British 1936 light tank and shares the same slot as the 8.8 ton Pz.II. Interesting...

 

[Ivan_W_S]

To improve UK tank tech tree without much work:

1936 LT: Valentine (17 tons, max armour: 60 mm, speed: 24 km/h)
1941 LT: Crusader (19 tons, max armour: 40 mm, speed: 40 km/h)
1939 MT: Matilda (25 tons, max armour: 75 mm, speed: 24 km/h)

But, to be honest it's hard to force cruiser tanks and infantry tanks to conform to light/medium/heavy line, it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

 

[Porkman]

I think you need to retake a few history lessons if you think this.

Will Steel is very good on Indian history during WW2, but only until it bumps up against Indian nationalism.

Thus the battle of Imphal is super important and the British left entirely due to the indigenous Indian struggle for independence and not due to any local British lack of support for the Empire.

 

[Caesar15]

I'll take some more screenshots and steal @Sleight of Hand 's when I get home.