Screenshot 020910

[jacob-Lundgren]

2 things. making gold alike to vp but a small amount per might help.
and america will probably win most of the time anyways in the end i would think. its like playing eu2 as england with french culture and cb shields on all french provs starting with a united british isles+france. not many ways to bring them down eh?

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by zsolo


However, as an economsit I still cannot understand how the role of money could be left out from the scope of such a great game. I hope that noboby at Paradox thniks that the year of 1929-33 barter trade ruled the world.

I kindly remind everyone how the gold stock of the UK melt becuase of the lend lease in 1939-42. IMHO it is the best example for my concenerns. A nation in the midst of a world war cannot afford to spend any valuable resources in exchange of others.

But a much greater problem appears to me what will countries do which do not have any resources at all. What will be their offer look like...?

I think it's not too bad to concentrate on goods which are of strategic importance to the war effort.

Of course this is a problem regarding minors with neither resources nor tech/armaments, but then the focus of the game is on the countries who participated in WWII and they probably wouldn't want to trade important resources for (virtually useless) gold. Only exception could be the USA who can afford that.

Btw can weapons and techs be sold/exchanged? That certainly would help these minors not engaged in any war.

 

[unmerged(9186)]

This screen is great. The commerce will be included, that's all I care about.

Anyway, I think this screen answer to a question asked by the previous one. Notice that blue Port in the Baltic States (future USSR territory), in the city of Riga. It's in the Fog of War so that mean it's not blue because there's ships docked it this port but because it's a greater port than the other. (otherwise would be a flaw in the game, and that would make FoW useless. If this is not about espionnage, but I don't think) What was speculation is now nearby a certitude.

 

[unmerged(9938)]

But the UK didn't need Gold to build destroyers it could just print money, it needed gold to import destroyers.

And the UK did import quite alot of war material during the first yeares of the war, and other countries probably did to. But if the game at this stage in development dosn`t simulate arms trade or gold, there is no point in adding that feature now. However it would be a great addition to HoI2.

Right now I just want to se the game in the stores.

 

[King]

Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
2 things. making gold alike to vp but a small amount per might help.
and america will probably win most of the time anyways in the end i would think. its like playing eu2 as england with french culture and cb shields on all french provs starting with a united british isles+france. not many ways to bring them down eh?

That's why England lost the shields and the CB to bring them down to size.

If there was nto many VP's to be gained in accumulating gold why bother? After all it would be better to build up your own army.

 

[King]

Originally posted by TMO


And the UK did import quite alot of war material during the first yeares of the war, and other countries probably did to. But if the game at this stage in development dosn`t simulate arms trade or gold, there is no point in adding that feature now. However it would be a great addition to HoI2.

Right now I just want to se the game in the stores.

I agree the UK did import war materal and payed gold for it and ran a trade difficit to do it. However we are now moving intot he reals of a complex economic model. I don't know if an HoI2 could handle it and still have everything else.

 

[unmerged(10868)]

Let's see if I understand.

The red, white, black flags indicate German officers
The blue, gold cross indicate the Swedish counter offers

Now are they trading from thier own stocks or the World Market, or does it have a way to select either one?

 

[unmerged(1972)]

I have a question. What resource did Germany have in excess, to be able to trade? Not steel. Not oil. Not rubber. Maybe coal? I'm just seeing a problem here for the German player.

 

[unmerged(10220)]

Originally posted by Vandelay
Thanks Patric! Decided to preempt the invetibale bitching about "When´s the next screenie going up?", eh?

The Finnish map seems much finer (in its province make up) in comparison to the Swedish map when considering population density. Is this because Finland is expected to see action and Sweden not, I wonder?


/Vandelay

Actually Sweden has and had only marginaly bigger population density than Finland.

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by 17028
I have a question. What resource did Germany have in excess, to be able to trade? Not steel. Not oil. Not rubber. Maybe coal? I'm just seeing a problem here for the German player.

Indeed. Germany rearmed by running a large deficit (borrowing money mainly from it's own citizens). I wonder based on what it will be able to do so in the game.

 

[Vandelay]

Actually Sweden has and had only marginaly bigger population density than Finland.

OK. It seems to me the Finland map is still finer in scale (i.e. as many provinces in total as Sweden has) - judged from this screenie and the screenie from 020904. I´m not complaining - it´ll give Finland greater depth when facing a Soviet attack.

Cheers,
Vandelay

 

[Vharzul]

Actualy I think Germany had an ample supply of Steel beacuse the North ogf Germany and also includs Austrai has got Ore in its mountins and other things, but it was mostly a shortage of oil and some Rubber!

 

[unmerged(10333)]

Has paradox been adding provinces?

 

[unmerged(8622)]

Originally posted by zsolo


However, as an economsit I still cannot understand how the role of money could be left out from the scope of such a great game. I hope that noboby at Paradox thniks that the year of 1929-33 barter trade ruled the world.

I kindly remind everyone how the gold stock of the UK melt becuase of the lend lease in 1939-42. IMHO it is the best example for my concenerns. A nation in the midst of a world war cannot afford to spend any valuable resources in exchange of others.

But a much greater problem appears to me what will countries do which do not have any resources at all. What will be their offer look like...?

Prolly like this
Ethiopia offers [Dirt] for Italian [Pasta] ?

 

[unmerged(3168)]

Originally posted by JPesterfield
Let's see if I understand.

The red, white, black flags indicate German officers
The blue, gold cross indicate the Swedish counter offers

Now are they trading from thier own stocks or the World Market, or does it have a way to select either one?

I thought that the flags indicated existing deals that have been already made by Sweden (swedish flag) to other coutries and by the Germans (german flag) with Sweden. Just looked at it again and you might be right so I'm

 

[unmerged(10977)]

Boden fortress?

Originally posted by Vandelay


OK. It seems to me the Finland map is still finer in scale (i.e. as many provinces in total as Sweden has) - judged from this screenie and the screenie from 020904. I´m not complaining - it´ll give Finland greater depth when facing a Soviet attack.

Cheers,
Vandelay

Yes, the Finland map looks great!

But what about the swedish fortress(es) around Boden in northern Sweden. Will it be included?

And, Jaemtland should be a forrested region rather than a mountainous region, as it seem to cover quite a large area.

 

[N Katsyev]

Loving the screenies, can't wait till things start getting touched up. Each one is getting me more excited about this game.

 

[unmerged(1972)]

Originally posted by KonigMaximilian
Actualy I think Germany had an ample supply of Steel beacuse the North ogf Germany and also includs Austrai has got Ore in its mountins and other things, but it was mostly a shortage of oil and some Rubber!

It might be that they had an ample supply of iron for peace time production, but not for war production. Otherwise they wouldn't have been so keen to buy iron from Sweden.

 

[unmerged(3168)]

Just on resources will the Synthetic oil plants in Germany be represented?

 

[unmerged(5067)]

Is it possible to sell consumer goods then?