Scotland

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At first glance in the scotland events, the Norway events look good, but I see one bug. The big win event, 200317, needs 200311 to happen, but that is the Norway is dying event. Either this is left over from the old event where you needed to vassalize them, or there should be a not in there.

Also, did you get rid of the vassalage event for norway, I don't seem to see it, and they don't start out that way.

One other thing, when do you annax York, since you can't dip them till at least 1470 since the Vassage is set so that it starts in 1460 something.

Got to the 1530s, and man is this issane. I have a 23 RR in all my provances. 3 events fires all in a row that just hammered me, I have no income, killed my stab and now I have revolts all over the place. Now this would not be so bad if some of the RR would be over in 9 years, but 10 years from now, it will finnally calm down. This will kill the AI, can see it right now. I am going to be alright because I had a ton of troops and $, but you have to be ready for this, or else it could rip apart the country.

 

[MattyG]

I will leave Incompetant to commenton most of these issues, especially the RR. Does sound a little high ....

I think the idea is that the 300113 event Norway is dting is a needed event. That is their 'call for aid' event. If the Scots come - and win - they get to keep Norway and gain its culture. if they lose, well, they lose. And if they don't come when aid is called for, then they are a bunch of tossers who will never again be loved by the Norweigian people.

 

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I will leave Incompetant to commenton most of these issues, especially the RR. Does sound a little high ....

I think the idea is that the 300113 event Norway is dting is a needed event. That is their 'call for aid' event. If the Scots come - and win - they get to keep Norway and gain its culture. if they lose, well, they lose. And if they don't come when aid is called for, then they are a bunch of tossers who will never again be loved by the Norweigian people.

Yea, the dying event is needed, but the big win event is suppose to trigger if the dying event does not happen. I think the big win is if norway can hang onto most of its provances, why else would norway need to hold on to most of its provances for it to trigger.

The dying event is more to push people to act to save norway more then anything. With out leaders and its seeming inablity to build troops, Norway never seems to reclaim any land it looses to the Union.

Also, York, any event to annax them at all, I think that eventually they need to fall into Scottish hands.

we can move the streights right, we need to move that on leading to Eire. Eire seemed to be so involved in wars in the Isles, it ended up not really colonizing. By the 1580s it had A colony in Brazil and A TP when it was diplo annaxed by hungury.

 

[Incompetent]

At first glance in the scotland events, the Norway events look good, but I see one bug. The big win event, 200317, needs 200311 to happen, but that is the Norway is dying event. Either this is left over from the old event where you needed to vassalize them, or there should be a not in there.

Also, did you get rid of the vassalage event for norway, I don't seem to see it, and they don't start out that way.

Well spotted. That should be 'NOT event 200311', and Norway should start as a vassal of Scotland.

One other thing, when do you annax York, since you can't dip them till at least 1470 since the Vassage is set so that it starts in 1460 something.

Oh dear, I didn't know about that. My intention was that Scotland could DA York whenever it likes, but that might unbalance things if it causes Scotland to go on the rampage in England too early. Perhaps a date of 1435 would be about right (so DA opens up from 1445 onwards). In any case, there's no pressure for Scotland to diploannex York. If York gets eliminated by other means, Scotland can still get the cores and culture. I could give Scotland an event inheriting York, but it shouldn't be necessary - I don't think it's very likely that York would survive forever as an independent country.

Got to the 1530s, and man is this issane. I have a 23 RR in all my provances. 3 events fires all in a row that just hammered me, I have no income, killed my stab and now I have revolts all over the place. Now this would not be so bad if some of the RR would be over in 9 years, but 10 years from now, it will finnally calm down. This will kill the AI, can see it right now. I am going to be alright because I had a ton of troops and $, but you have to be ready for this, or else it could rip apart the country.

23? The 16th century is supposed to be traumatic for Scotland, but not that bad...

Ah, I think I've found the error. You founded the moderate Church of Scotland, and then got hit by the radical Reformation, right? That shouldn't happen. Event 524019 should have as trigger:

trigger = {
OR = {
AND = {
religion = reformed
NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 } }
}
AND = {
religion = protestant
NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 4 } }
}
}
}

I must have put protestant instead of reformed there by mistake.

It is possible to get 24RR, but for that to happen you have to attempt to stay Catholic, take on the Presbyterians head-on... and lose. But I can see that the AI is danger of doing this, so I'll change the 'tolerant' option to be default for a Catholic Scotland. Or maybe I'll spare the AI from the Turmoil altogether... it's supposed to be hard on the player, but anything that's hard on the player is twice as hard on the AI. The numbers might be toned down a little bit for the player as well, but it is meant to hurt.

The Turmoil is definitely on the list of 'serious revolts' which will hopefully be covered by a 'not so serious revolts' option on the scenario screen (which might appeal to MPers). The version that's in at the moment is the more severe version.

 

[MattyG]

Incompetant,

If you'd like to make those changes (and to those Russian events as well) and get them to me, then I can do another bug-fix-of-beta4 upload along with some of the other problems that have been found.

Matty

 

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23? The 16th century is supposed to be traumatic for Scotland, but not that bad...

Ah, I think I've found the error. You founded the moderate Church of Scotland, and then got hit by the radical Reformation, right? That shouldn't happen. Event 524019 should have as trigger:

trigger = {
OR = {
AND = {
religion = reformed
NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 8 } }
}
AND = {
religion = protestant
NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 4 } }
}
}
}

I must have put protestant instead of reformed there by mistake.

It is possible to get 24RR, but for that to happen you have to attempt to stay Catholic, take on the Presbyterians head-on... and lose. But I can see that the AI is danger of doing this, so I'll change the 'tolerant' option to be default for a Catholic Scotland. Or maybe I'll spare the AI from the Turmoil altogether... it's supposed to be hard on the player, but anything that's hard on the player is twice as hard on the AI. The numbers might be toned down a little bit for the player as well, but it is meant to hurt.

The Turmoil is definitely on the list of 'serious revolts' which will hopefully be covered by a 'not so serious revolts' option on the scenario screen (which might appeal to MPers). The version that's in at the moment is the more severe version.

Yea, I think that is what happened. I mean I handled it alright, but I just find having no tax income for more then a year just a little exsessive. BTW, the 23 RR was with 0 stab, so it would have been worse with -3 stab. if I had been playing mp, I would have had a big target on me.

 

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A while ago I made a monarchs file of Percies - is this still in the possession of whoever needs it?

 

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Update on Scotland: I'm about 60% done on the Scottish event file. But I would appreciate help on the following:

The Industrial Revolution, preferably from someone who knows what they're talking about

Ideas for Scottish dynastic choices and consequences. I'm thinking that the initial Scottish dynasty will die out in the mid-17th century, and the player will get a choice between a) the Percies, b) a Norwegian dynasty (if they have Norway), c) a Scottish dynasty. This may also have religious consequences: the Percies will be ultra-Catholic, the Norwegians Protestant, and the Scots will want to enforce whatever the state religion is. The Norwegian dynasty would have a much stronger naval/colonial focus than the other two; the Percies would be very unpopular at first, but good administrators; the Scots would be a 'conservative' choice, and would get claims on the Breton crown later (ie to vassalage, not cores!), but wouldn't have particularly great stats. The choice would also affect choice of capital (York or Edinburgh), which has other consequences.

Ideas for what the Scottish Atlantic Company should involve, and what 'success' and 'failure' conditions should be.

Ideas for how exactly education would affect other areas - I'm thinking good education will lead to a much better Industrial Revolution and some bonus 'Excellent Ministers', but make the population harder to push around on religious matters, and lead to increased pressure to liberalise the government.

who is the initial Scottish dynasty?

 

[Incompetent]

who is the initial Scottish dynasty?

The Stewarts. The actual monarchs start off with historical names, but then diverge from history in the 16th century. Their D/A/M stats are made up to suit the storyline and balance.

 

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There is some ideas about Norway, Scotland and Kalmar Union.

Kalmar have NO claims on Norway at start, to stop AI and player running rampage. Also I removed the norwegian culture from them.

In 1450-x Swedish dynasty of Kalmar have an event to press on Norway. There would be three possibilities - claim on whole Norway, Claim only of Eastern part of Norway and do not press the claim now. Maybe the second variant would cause Norway move it's capital to the coast, to simulate Norwegian nobles attempting to run away from full conquest?

And I don't think Kalmar should lose claim on Norway if Scotland inherits it. I think Kalmar will continue the struggle, especially with Swedish dynasty.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Kalmar starting without claims on Norway is ok, probably still schocked by the norwegian independence, but later on I think all dynasties would claim Norway, if it did not happen to be a norwegian dynasty. Also since Kalmar is a elective monarchy these dynastie could switch all over.

If Scotland inherit Norway, which should be the normal way of events, Kalmar could be very irrtitated and immidiately claim the Norwegian throne, or b option to accept loss and the scottish king in Norway.

 

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Yes, that was what I meant. But in current state, Kalmar is ment to surrender claims on Norway when Scotland inherits it. He will have -5 to vp if he NOT surrenders.

 

[Incompetent]

For the Scotland events, all I really need to know is when Scotland should inherit an intact Norway, and how much chance Norway has of surviving up to this point, bearing in mind how Kalmar will behave.

 

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OK, here is my idea.

1. AI will 80% choose and Oldenburg dynasty, so he will get claims only in 1490-x or so. He can get whole claims or claims only on some provinces.
I think it is possible to divide Norway with Scotland peacefully, like Norway getting western coast and Kalmar get the eastern ones. In such situation Kalmar gets no norwegian culture, but can assimilate this provinces to scandinavic in like 100 years.
2. If there would be confilct, it all will depend on how fast Kalmar can capture norway. If he annexes norway to 1500-x, then Scotland get no Norway. If not, I think in start of 1500-s, The remainings of Norway should fall to Scotland and conflict will continue versus Kalmar and Scotland.
3. If Swedish dynasty comes to power, then they can press on as early as in 1450-s. Then it all depends on how well Norway and Scotland plays. I think both Norway and Scotland should have bunch of free troops so it can defend Norway. If Kalmar fails to capture Norway fast, it will fall into small civil war in 60-s and temporaly surrenders it claims. Till 1490-s.

Is it ok?

 

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The Stewarts. The actual monarchs start off with historical names, but then diverge from history in the 16th century. Their D/A/M stats are made up to suit the storyline and balance.

Interesting, I think though that they would not have had a claim in 1419 but not a huge deal.

Are you going to address the Kingdom of the Isles at all?

 

[Incompetent]

Interesting, I think though that they would not have had a claim in 1419 but not a huge deal.

I don't know if Scotland's connection to Norway is historical, and I didn't think of a good pre-1419 storyline for it. (We inherited that aspect of things from ArchDuke.) Gameplay-wise, though, I like the Norway-Scotland link, as it gives more choice of direction for Scotland.

Are you going to address the Kingdom of the Isles at all?

Which province would that be? If it's a vassal to Norway, which is vassal to Scotland, and it covers less than one province, it's not likely to be important enough to be made a playable country. Could you give some background on its history? I'm sure an event or two for Scotland/Norway could be put in about it.

 

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I don't know if Scotland's connection to Norway is historical, and I didn't think of a good pre-1419 storyline for it. (We inherited that aspect of things from ArchDuke.) Gameplay-wise, though, I like the Norway-Scotland link, as it gives more choice of direction for Scotland.



Which province would that be? If it's a vassal to Norway, which is vassal to Scotland, and it covers less than one province, it's not likely to be important enough to be made a playable country. Could you give some background on its history? I'm sure an event or two for Scotland/Norway could be put in about it.

Alright I will do my best to give a small thumbnail of some of the history and hopefully you can make whatever usage of it that you wish.

The Kingdom of the Isles would consist of Ulster in Ireland and the province directly across the channel in Scotland and if we had a Hebrides that as well but since we don't what can you do. As to the tie to Norway that comes from:
Margaret Maid of Norway, 1283–90, queen of Scotland (1286–90), daughter of Eric II of Norway and granddaughter of Alexander III of Scotland. In 1284 the nobles of Scotland recognized the infant Norwegian princess as heiress presumptive to the Scottish throne, and on Alexander III's death Margaret became queen under a regency. Edward I of England arranged a marriage for her with his eldest son, Edward, and this union was agreed to by the Scots in the Treaty of Birgham (1290), which stipulated that Scotland would remain independent. Margaret, however, died on the voyage from Norway to Scotland. The resultant dispute over the succession gave Edward I an opportunity to try to subjugate Scotland.

I would presume that she does not die in Abe, and as such the royal line of Scotland would have a valid claim upon Norway if the other heirs were gone.

And here is a link on the Kingdom of the Isles. http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cach...isles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19&client=safari

 

[MattyG]

That was pretty bloody interesting.

Where does it lead us?

Looks like w=something that will be of use in an expanded map on EU3

 

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Kingdom Of "Scotland, Norway and the Lost Viking Colonies"?

 

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That was pretty bloody interesting.

Where does it lead us?

Looks like w=something that will be of use in an expanded map on EU3

well....

I would say it gives a potential rival for Scotland in regards Norway. As the King of the Isles would also have a valid claim to that throne, and just to be bothersome they also have a pretty decent claim on the Scottish throne to boot; and depending upon how the scripter chooses to deal with potential deaths etc, they could make a shot at High King of Eire as the foundational line is descended from Nial of the nine hostages. But that last one would be a bit of a long shot and is not really worth discussing.