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Any ideas or paths taken that have worked for them.

What is Scotlands position vs England. Should they be best played keeping peace with England until they get stronger.

It seems they are challenged in the war department and cannot support it right off.

I get the impression they are a colonizing or rather trading country?

What say you.
 

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Well scottland has a poor army. It has limited resources as well. It has no CB and its policies don't mix well for merchant compete chance.

However, England is at war with France at the start of the game, but no WE. And it does have Trade tech 1.
 

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So having the trade tech 1 already is a big-o hint.

I just restarted my 5th try at them as if I do anything with military it sucks me under if I don't mint. I am not gonna fight at all except to bak-up France and Norway with a regiment only each.

Currently have NI (new idea) shrewd commerce practice and have not increased minting at all yet just being quiet. Now have 8 merchants in 2 diff COT's. I just fear a war and know I cannot afford colonizing with this budget.

Playing the smaller nations like Scotland is what all on the forums are saying that at a cerain point the nation is just too small and must trade where they get advantages above the larger nations.

Anyone confirm the latter and is trading what Scotland probably should do? Or has anyone had luck being aggressive with them early on?
 

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I started off aggresive...borrowed 2 loans, built an army and invaded England. Got Northumberland, Cumbria, Lancashire and Yorkshire...England ceded Northumberland to me, but they got BIG reinforcements from somewhere because I was soon dispatched from Lancashire and Yorkshire.

Evenatually, because of constant barraging, I opted to leave Cumbria also to preserve some army...but I was losing money each turn, and because I broke the truce we had, England kept coming at me...attacking Ayrshire and taking Northumberland again.

Usual bad mistake.....n00b doing too much too soon...but I just wanted to push the envelope and see what could happen...

As history has taught us scots....England handed me my ass
 

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I've tried two different methods. The first time (and the campaign I'm still currently playing) I decided to go the war route. I took out a couple of loans, bought up a heap of mercs, and attacked England, got four provinces out of it. A few years later England counterattacked, and I took out another two or three loans and grabbed another four provinces.

I decided to attack again as soon as the truce expired, but this war went very badly because England by then was still richer, better teched and more powerful than me. It took me four reloads before I was able to get enough experience to defeat a very tough England in battle, but once I learned how to fight I did very well. Took another four provinces, then fought another war later and took the final five provinces. England is now my vassal and has only London and Calais as its two provinces. I'd like to diploannex, but since France and Burgundy have cores on Calais, I don't want to do that until I can risk war with them.

So you can beat England, but expect a tough struggle and multiple wars. It took me 64 years of struggle and 25% inflation to win, but I'm now the number one country in the world with the biggest income and with inflation under 20%, so things are going well.

In my other campaign, I tried going the peaceful trade route, it was a big mistake because a few years into the campaign, England declared war and rolled me with ease. If you want to try and play the Scots as a peaceful trading nation, at least be sure to honour your alliance with France even if it costs you a stack of stability points, because without alliances with other majors Scotland is I guess just too tempting a target for the English.
 

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LoL you just relived my smack downs.

Doing better now with trading but somehow the Royal marriage with England turned into me being a junior union partner. Odd it happened but I guess it can be good. Now I am seeing everything England has and they never keep their troops at the front line besides the ledger shows how much stronger they are than England.

Currently running around doing the bidding of my allies and am about to just stay with England since the French are always fighting and once I get some provinces they make a peace deal and then I am sitting on the once enemies new territory again. The French are just using me :(

Yeah I don't think the Scots are an early invader but if I can get this trading down I will have some money to be a policeman and maybe pick up a few provinces elsewhere.

Screwtype I just saw your post. I did that approach before but ended up with 35 inflation. Then made a mistake and they walked over me. I think what I did and you did was you took some provinces had peace took more had peace took more. Not long wars like I had. I did not stop and got greedy.

Were you able to payoff the debts no problem and is your inflation now going down since you have the cash?
 
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Stratisfaction said:
Currently running around doing the bidding of my allies and am about to just stay with England since the French are always fighting and once I get some provinces they make a peace deal and then I am sitting on the once enemies new territory again. The French are just using me :(

I never bother actually fighting in a war started by an ally unless there is something in it for me. All you really need to do is honour the alliance in word rather than deed and it should be maintained. If you want to improve your relations still further, send them a few pennies in war subsidies instead.
 

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Stratisfaction said:
Screwtype I just saw your post. I did that approach before but ended up with 35 inflation. Then made a mistake and they walked over me. I think what I did and you did was you took some provinces had peace took more had peace took more. Not long wars like I had. I did not stop and got greedy.

Were you able to payoff the debts no problem and is your inflation now going down since you have the cash?

Well you have to at least wait until the truce expires before you think about the next war, otherwise you take too much of a stab hit.

Most of my wars with England lasted four or five years, on each occasion but one I think, I managed to get a 100% warscore on them, so I got to annex a bunch of provinces each time.

If you want a hint on battle tactics to use against the English you could try to find my "Take that you pesky sassanachs!" thread I posted some days ago. Using the tactics outlined in that post (gained through hard experience!) made all the difference to my battles with the English.
 

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screwtype said:
Here you are, I tracked it down for you:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285290

Good luck :)

Dude! screwtype that post is the single best post I have read yet. Nice job.

It covers how to advance with a small nation, covering attrition, and raiding parties that keep enemy on the edge or weak enough to make the battles in your favor.

Now I must practice those techniques. Thanks again :D

p.s. 10 hours of gaming frustration or 30 minutes of reading a post. I don't have the 10 hours anymore do you....
 

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Thanks for the kind words Stratis, however I should mention that another possible method of winning wars which only recently occurred to me is to use a large army to assault the fortresses instead of trying to wear them down slowly. I've heard some people have had great success with this method but I've yet to try it myself.

I did try assaulting garrisons on one or two occasions but took heavy losses so decided it wasn't worth it, but maybe my army just wasn't big enough?

Anyhow, that might be worth a try too. It would certainly be a quicker method of winning a war if it works :)
 

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screwtype said:
Thanks for the kind words Stratis, however I should mention that another possible method of winning wars which only recently occurred to me is to use a large army to assault the fortresses instead of trying to wear them down slowly. I've heard some people have had great success with this method but I've yet to try it myself.

I did try assaulting garrisons on one or two occasions but took heavy losses so decided it wasn't worth it, but maybe my army just wasn't big enough?

Anyhow, that might be worth a try too. It would certainly be a quicker method of winning a war if it works :)


If you want to see this in action watch France take out Gasconay? at the beginning of the 1453 game. 8000 cav and 19000 infantry against 1000 garrison. Takes about 8 days. French loose less than the English garrison.
 

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Darlor said:
If you want to see this in action watch France take out Gasconay? at the beginning of the 1453 game. 8000 cav and 19000 infantry against 1000 garrison. Takes about 8 days. French lose less than the English garrison.

Could that be because the English army is on low maintenance? I found out the hard way that low maintenance forts get rolled in a matter of days!

But if it's not due to maintenance, then I think this is a problem with the game. In this period, cities were generally not taken before the advent of cannon without a long struggle, so this is not only ahistorical but IMO bad for game balance.