Ah OK, thanks. That would be a shame if they do Support Independence but then never actually use it. Maybe that will be extended in future patches.
Say goodbye to vassal feeding (finally) - [Vassal feeding megathread]
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Ah OK, thanks. That would be a shame if they do Support Independence but then never actually use it. Maybe that will be extended in future patches.
Yep, coring using different types of MP would be an improvement, and could add a chance of an event related to the type of MP used, for a bit of flavour. For administrative ("spread the benefits of our society..."), a chance of a base tax boost, say. For diplomatic coring ("convince the locals of our rightful claims"), a chance of a free culture change. For military coring ("impose our rule by force"), a manpower boost ("locals impressed by our might").
No, it's more random because you need an overall good monarch or it's just too slow. And you STILL have to pray for no comets because you lose 3 stability when you start to westernize, and you can never afford to raise stability while the game is draining your admin. You also can't rely on good advisors because advisors are barely affordable. A +3 advisor is basically out of the question.
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Btw (i guess you have already noticed that as well, but just in case you didn't
) - PU minors can also be supported for independence. You can ask other nations to support you while beeing the minor/vassal etc. and the nations supporting you aren't 100% guaranteed to join the war.
That'd be great! if not Pdx i would love to see a mod implementation
I'm glad that vassal feeding is no longer as viable an option, because to me it always felt really ahistorical and didn't it seemed like it didn't fit the intentions behind the game mechanics.
For you, but for the average player like me? It was barely playable. With my preferred style of playing now applicable. I can finally enjoy this game to the fullest.
Yeah take a break for now. In a few weeks I am pretty sure mods that will cater to your play style will come out.
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Anyone feeling generous enough to give a brief summary of what has been discussed and conclusions that have been reached over the past 26 pages?
Anyone feeling generous enough to give a brief summary of what has been discussed and conclusions that have been reached over the past 26 pages?
I am an average player like you, you won't see me pulling off anything like Three Mountains..
When I'm not playing MP (which is rare in of itself) I exclusively play Ironman. Ergo, no mods. Not that this behaviour is moddable anyway.
I disagree with this, because there is also created vassals, and it would be silly if created vassals DOWed you.
Vassals will only buy provinces if one of the following is true:
- They have a core on the province
- They have a claim on the province
- They want to conquer the province. This last one depends greatly on the AI "personality" - military vassals will want to conquer many provinces, whereas diplomatic will not. You can see which provinces they specifically want with the aiview cheat, but not presently with any non-cheat mechanic. (Er, except trying to sell the province to them.)
If the AI won't buy a province, it will have a "-1000 No strategic interest" modifier.
Stop whining/hating on the developers. They are trying something new, and they will fix the problems with patches. Have faith.
There's a difference between trying new stuff and adding semi-undocumented features that weren't talked about before the patch got released.
That westernization is less random now has been proven. You can save your points so that you know for sure that you will be able to do it in a certain time. Where's in the pre 1.4-system you could spend 50+ years never get over 0 in stab. Bad ruler, monarch death, comets could postphone your westerniziation for decades. Thats no longer the case.
Are you sure that you've understood the new system fully?
Quick summary:
-Protectorates can't be annexed, so they are no longer a useful tool for breaking up and eating e.g. Ming
-Countries can't be diplo-vassalized if they have greater than 30 base tax
-Vassals won't accept buying any province unless
a) they have a core on it
b) they have a claim on it
c) they have "an interest in conquering it" (which is only viewable with the "aiview" command; a rule of thumb is that militarist personalities have a longer list)
* Wiz claimed that the next patch will also cause them to accept any province they have previously owned in the scripted history
-Note that this also leaves open the even gamier approach of: ally with a nation to help it conquer most of it's neighbor, and then once said unfortunate neighbor is small enough, force-vassalizing it and fighting your former ally to return all of said nation's cores.
That's the relevant information about vassal feeding; most of the rest is the standard back and forth.
A much better fix to the problem of feeding vassals to huge size would have been to make larger vassals stronger and harder to annex.
1. Restore the ability to gift (can hardly call it sell when the AI never has money to pay) land to a vassal
2. A vassal with more territory should take longer to annex than a small vassal
3. Annexing a vassal should cost Administrative points (or perhaps Diplomacy points)...this should also scale with size
4. A vassal should have the possibility to declare independence which increases with relative size (as the vassal becomes closer to or exceeds the size of its overlord)
5. The chance for declaration of independence should double (or more) when a vassal is being annexed
In short, the problem seems to be with annexing being cheap, easy, and with little opportunity cost.
1. Restore the ability to gift (can hardly call it sell when the AI never has money to pay) land to a vassal
2. A vassal with more territory should take longer to annex than a small vassal
3. Annexing a vassal should cost Administrative points (or perhaps Diplomacy points)...this should also scale with size
4. A vassal should have the possibility to declare independence which increases with relative size (as the vassal becomes closer to or exceeds the size of its overlord)
5. The chance for declaration of independence should double (or more) when a vassal is being annexed
In short, the problem seems to be with annexing being cheap, easy, and with little opportunity cost.