"Savoyard" What is that? Savoyen !

[newtlord]

Also, dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

Even for the ones who don't live in America?

 

[Elfryc]

In common English use there is no hint of negativity. It is simply 'a person from Savoy'. It carries the same neutral connotations as "English", "Italian", "French", "Swiss" and most other modern Demonyms.

In 19th century French it seems it was a cliché; that's not the case in French anymore, contrary to what seems to think Zandraak.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Even for the ones who don't live in America?

You have no frame of reference!

 

[spyroware1]

I dare say that Savoyard is actually a nice sounding word as there's also the connection with the Italian royal house plus those nice biscuits you put in tiramisu XD

 

[MylesSCP]

You have no frame of reference!

Oh god, one of the best references I've seen in a while. 10/10 I bow to you.

 

[Alerias]

I always used Savoyard in both French and English and the notion that it might be pejorative never crossed my mind. French is my primary language.

 

[PeterCorless]

Pardon me (and Google Translate) for the terrible and somewhat confusing translation:

Du terme savoyard.

SON ORIGINE PIEMONTAISE.

On n'assigne pas au mot savoyard une origine antérieure à la seconde moitié du xvie siècle.

Ce qui frappe d'abord quand on étudie ce mot, c'est que, pendant les deux siècles et demi qui précèdent l'an 1814, il a été à peu près constamment repoussé par les écrivains nés ou élevés en Savoie. Les Piémontais, les Genevois et les Français donnent aux habitants de la Savoie le nom de Savoyards. Les auteurs indigènes persistent à s'appeler eux et leurs compatriotes tantôt Savoyens (quand ce mot est encore en usage), tantôt et le plus souvent Savoisiens.

Rien ne prouve mieux que le vocable savoyard est, par son origine, étranger au pays.
Savoyard est en réalité une importation piémontaise.

Au delà des Alpes, les habitants de la Savoie étaient désignés sous divers noms, selon les régions et les idiomes locaux. Le terme le plus ordinaire était savoiano, traduction littérale et exacte de savoyen. On rencontre encore savoino et, dans une histoire du marquisat de Saluces, savoincho.

En patois piémontais, les habitants de la Savoie et de Nice étaient appelés Savojardi et Nizzardi : d'où, avec la terminaison française, Savoyards et Nissards, ou Niçards.

Term of Savoyard.

ITS ORIGIN PIEDMONTESE.

It does not assign the word Savoyard earlier origin to the second half of the sixteenth century.

What strikes first when we study this word is that, during the two centuries and a half before the year 1814, it was almost constantly repulsed by the writers born or raised in Savoy. The Piedmontese, the Geneva and the French give to the inhabitants of the Savoy name Savoyards. Indigenous authors persist in calling them and their fellow Savoyens sometimes (when the word is still in use), and sometimes more often Savoyards.

Nothing proves better than the Savoy word is, in its origin, in foreign countries. Savoy is a Piedmontese import in reality.

Beyond the Alps, the people of Savoy were given different names depending on the region and the local languages​​. The most common term was savoiano, literal and accurate translation of Savoy. Still seen savoino and a history of marquis of Saluzzo, savoincho.

In Piedmontese dialect, the people of Savoy and Nice were called Savojardi and Nizzardi: where, with the French termination, and Savoyards and Nissards or Niçards.

• Source: Des mots Savoyen, Savoisien et Savoyard (1888), Pascalein, É. (Émile)
http://archive.org/details/desmotssavoyensa00pasc

Nothing pejorative about it.

 

[unmerged(584823)]

Nothing pejorative about it. And, apparently, it was the preferred term by indigenous authors.

No, it says it was not preferred by indegenous authors, two centuries ago, locals intellectuals preferred term of "Savoyens", dixit the text. But, nothing says there is anything pejorative in this term, so I don't see any problem.

 

[Cainrae]

This would, in all honesty be a complete waste of time. 99.9% of the people who play this game, including myself, will not notice the difference. If Paradox were to fix every little detail based on cultural history, they could go on forever. It's not like they sat down and intentionally decided to insult the Savoyard's (Or "Savoyens" if that's your fancy )

If it really bugs you so much, why not just simply modify it in the localization folder?

 

[PeterCorless]

Ah. Caught it. In the initial machine translation, the term came across as "pushed." (i.e., it sounded like it was being "pushed" or promulgated by the native writers.)

Then, when I took that sentence out and translated it specifically, it came across as "repulsed." Which makes more sense. Thanks for the catch Hargrave!

 

[Slargos]

You know... this thread gets me thinking.

What do you call an Asian-American, native born in the US, who moves to Sweden and gets a dual citizenship?

Asian-American-Swede?

Swedish-Asian-American?

Swami?

 

[Dutchling]

You know... this thread gets me thinking.

What do you call an Asian-American, native born in the US, who moves to Sweden and gets a dual citizenship?

Asian-American-Swede?

Swedish-Asian-American?

Swami?

Swede.

 

[Slargos]

Swede.

Won't work.. The accepted vernacular is "Asian-Swede" or "Afro-Swede".

 

[unmerged(344099)]

Pardon me (and Google Translate) for the terrible and somewhat confusing translation:





• Source: Des mots Savoyen, Savoisien et Savoyard (1888), Pascalein, É. (Émile)
http://archive.org/details/desmotssavoyensa00pasc

Nothing pejorative about it.

Another thread is addressing something comparable :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?707373-Savoy-culture-Ethnic