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Sterkarm said:
I'm already fighting for Poland's independence in the Sunday Multimillion Dollar Game, so I'm used to playing a Poland that been screwed up by past players.

The Dutch wish you luck. ;)
 

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Bocaj said:
The Dutch wish you luck. ;)

Would the Dutch be willing to provide more help than a wish?
 

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Well, I wonder if he'd be even close to willing to do that. Is that true or is it a bit exaggerated? The Polish armies certainly could use a boost in funding...
 

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If Bocaj starts to walk away from his neutrality his European territory will soon be covered by either French, Austrian or Brandenburger troops. I bet that because every wants a piece of that wealth. ^^ He should continue to fund Helvetica though...
 

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If Bocaj starts to walk away from his neutrality his European territory will soon be covered by either French, Austrian or Brandenburger troops. I bet that because every wants a piece of that wealth. ^^ He should continue to fund Helvetica though...

Helvetia was just an experiment, it didn't even cost me a month's income in total. :)

BTW are you telling me that the Germans wish to invade Holland? This is indeed disturbing....
 

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Beats me why Brandenburg and Poland have to be mortal enemies. I think you could have avoided a lot by using diplomacy. Probably you could have spared yourself 3 large wars, try it sometime! :)
 

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Geez, BB doesn't know when to quit.. first he starts four wars over Prussia and now threatens to invade Holland (with Austria no less - how many more provs does Fred have to loose to OE before he terminates this relationship?).

For a small fee, England would be happy to defend the Dutch with our gigantic manpower.
 

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to fix changes in the patch

I dont understand. The patch was changed a reason. Why does it need to be "fixed" with an edit?
 

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cheech said:
I dont understand. The patch was changed a reason. Why does it need to be "fixed" with an edit?

As far as I understand Specterx, because we started with another patch? And because other edits were made following this argument?
The change itself is fine and I understand the reasons -Scotland is not Ireland. But that is not what Specterx is complaining about.
 

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Fredrik_SWE said:
A neutral Holland have nothing too fear from Germany, not from Austria and as Emporer of the HRE no electors would be alowed to make such a attack either.

I start to understand why the Elector of Brandenburg wished so strongly to become King of Prussia :p
 

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arcorelli said:
I start to understand why the Elector of Brandenburg wished so strongly to become King of Prussia :p
All the Electors of the HRE serve the Emporer, in return the Emporer guarantee there safety. I think the elector of Brandenburg appreciate there Emporer very much. Remember Brandenburg would still be Swedish Vassal if the Emporer didn't get involved in that war, or worse, Berlin would have been a Swedish city today.

The Emporer do not however like the French king interference in German policy. Take your propaganda elsewhere, Thank you :p
 

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Fredrik_SWE said:
All the Electors of the HRE serve the Emporer, in return the Emporer guarantee there safety. I think the elector of Brandenburg appreciate there Emporer very much.

And I understand that possible any ruler could prefer a situation in where they do not serve another ruler. But well, so is how the Habsburgs understand friendship or alliance. :D

The French Propaganda Service will talk and comment about whatever issue the french kingdom believe interesting. We do not serve some crazy emperor.
 

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Fredrik_SWE said:
All the Electors of the HRE serve the Emporer, in return the Emporer guarantee there safety. I think the elector of Brandenburg appreciate there Emporer very much. Remember Brandenburg would still be Swedish Vassal if the Emporer didn't get involved in that war, or worse, Berlin would have been a Swedish city today.

The Emporer do not however like the French king interference in German policy. Take your propaganda elsewhere, Thank you :p

That text only included 5 "Emporer" :rofl: Btw it is spelled Emperor, no?
 

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My response to the last few posts:

I think my previous statement was taken a little bit too seriously. I'll paraphrase what I said: "If Holland sides up with one side or another, I'd bet that the other side will see a great profit in invading their European provinces and release them for a ransom." This is just logic, not some kind of prediction for the future however. My experience is that if Holland allies itself to a losing side or one which cannot protect it, it immediately becomes a target for these kinds of actions.

I consider giving huge amounts of money to an enemy in a war to be siding up with them. (Sterkarm suggested that, and I had to react.) But I do need to make clear I will never disturb Holland unless he starts to directly support Poland before I'm finished with it (that is at least Danzig). Brandenburg has no interest in the west other than potential allies.

While some of you do not consider Brandenburg versus Poland to be a fair fight, I would like to remind people of that it is destined to be so, due to the way history is simulated in EU2. And it is stressed that for Poland's sucky economy it has itself to blaim. I have inflation 1.2% today; compare that to Poland's 39.x%, which leads to the conclusion I am not nearly trigger-happy enough to print money like that. Neither do I take loans to finance my warfare (although those unfortunate lag loans sometimes cannot be avoided.)

Yet another observation is that of "Brandenburg started 4 wars", but I'd say it was rather three offensive ones and two defensive ones (including the latest versus Poland). All the offensive ones I've had valid reasons to as far as I'm concered (I need to become Prussia and Sweden really has nothing to do in Germany).
 

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cheech said:
I dont understand. The patch was changed a reason. Why does it need to be "fixed" with an edit?

Like Arco said:

1. We started under a different patch
2. We have already made other culture/religion edits to "fix" the jan20 changes
 

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Chain, that was the AI/Byng (both of which, from my experience, are extremely prone to war/being destroyed), so let us put that behind us! A new regime arises in Poland, and they wish for peace with the Germans, as we wish to prosper peacefully, without war. The usurpers of the throne have been executed or exiled, and now the true Polish line has been restored. Let our two great peoples come together for one goal... the unification of the northern region of the Holy Roman Empire under one alliance, not one nation. If you were to conquer Poland, you would not be able to suppress the Polish people, for they fight always for freedom, and will eventually prevail.

By the way, what religion is BB?