Saturdays 1520 long term 2

[Fredrik82]

Yes, the early two wars which was 1v1 between me and austria(note austria got spanish money), anything else?

Of cause, a Austria without a funding Spain is a dead Austria. an 80D income austria with its possition in the middle of Europe is dead without Spain!
I just played LGH3 as Spain, i was funding Austria constantly. sended like 20K Ducats that session, and HG was still not pleased , anyway what i'm saying is spain funding Austria is naturally that it was historiclly aswell.

 

[admiral drake]

We can't? Damn it

:rofl:

 

[Fredrik82]

We can't? Damn it

hehe, Arco you are a truly economist :rofl:

 

[unmerged(11216)]

ehhh?
we was talking about this NAP thing, If you don't se a problem with having a perm NAP between two giant nation in game, fine. But that is a problem, not just against me, for the game! And besides its like me and France would agree on a perm border and a perm NAP. A dead game no doubt.
And a game without a conflict in the east is almost a dead game also!

i'm not whinnig, i'm just concerned about the game.

Tell me, what do I have to gain in a war against Russia? I can guess your answer; Astrakhan CoT. If I now did won a war against russia over astrakhan, I would just have a fierce enemy in the north, while the only gain is to own a half-good CoT. That meens that im easily could end up with two border war. Besides, all the time it always sounds like you're almost demanding that im gonna turn hostile to russia or vice versa, so you actually are gonna be able to gain control over the balkan again. Get this; I look after my own interests, not the interests of Austria. Besides you are talking about that its "a dead game" and I dont understand what you meen. For example I was subbing in IE1 and there Austria ended up annexed(altough that was the session after i was subbing). Still, there they had a great time. I've had a great time playing this game, who havent? So No, I wont let you run my diplomacy in future either.

Im going to sleep in a couple of minits, but i'll drop by here one last time to see if there's any respons.

Edit: Me and Russia have NOT made any d*mn concrete treaty saying that we got perm borders, we are just doing what we see are best for OUR countries.

 

[Fredrik82]

Tell me, what do I have to gain in a war against Russia? I can guess your answer; Astrakhan CoT. If I now did won a war against russia over astrakhan, I would just have a fierce enemy in the north, while the only gain is to own a half-good CoT. That meens that im easily could end up with two border war. Besides, all the time it always sounds like you're almost demanding that im gonna turn hostile to russia or vice versa, so you actually are gonna be able to gain control over the balkan again. Get this; I look after my own interests, not the interests of Austria. Besides you are talking about that its "a dead game" and I dont understand what you meen. For example I was subbing in IE1 and there Austria ended up annexed(altough that was the session after i was subbing). Still, there they had a great time. I've had a great time playing this game, who havent? So No, I wont let you run my diplomacy in future either.

Im going to sleep in a couple of minits, but i'll drop by here one last time to see if there's any respons.

Edit: Me and Russia have NOT made any d*mn concrete treaty saying that we got perm borders, we are just doing what we see are best for OUR countries.

first, an annexed Austria will however never happend in this game, if i so have too fight whole world
I'm not trying to run your diplomacy, and i will never do so.
But i still support KJ´s proposal of that NAP rule.

Edit: Me and Russia have NOT made any d*mn concrete treaty saying that we got perm borders, we are just doing what we see are best for OUR .

Drake said something else, "won't happend , ottos already established you as main threat and knows i own him and got peace treaty +esteblished borders"

sorry drake if you didnt want me to show this, but i will not accept WC lie!

 

[unmerged(7276)]

Stop bringing you lefty 21st century morals into the game War = good Ambition = good. OE is clearly just as war like as us and so is france. Everyone makes the habsburgs to be ultra agressive but this isnt true anyway. If people want peace this is fine but why do these same nations choose to mess in habsburg business? Because they are vultures and thieves you know who you are Your secret alliances against us would only make sense if we were expanding but we arnt. Well i will continue to be defensive like i have been all game. France is a ticking time bomb just waiting to launch his assault on europe.

BTW the pope also protests against certain nations alliances/deals with the muslim OE. You should be ashamed of yourself and you will go to hell

 

[unmerged(11216)]

Drake said something else, "won't happend , ottos already established you as main threat and knows i own him and got peace treaty +esteblished borders"

sorry drake if you didnt want me to show this, but i will not accept WC lie!

Alright, that I already established you as main threat? Totally correct, you are the one who are interested most in my territories. "and knows i own him", i dont understand this sentence, does Drake indicates that he can beat me bad if he wants or what? that we got peace treaty? Totally incorrect, I have not signed any peace treaty with Russia(atleast not the latest sessions of what i can remember, maybe for a number of years in start) That we got established borders? let me explain this. In first session of game, me and drake agreed about that the future borders of Russia-OE would go at X and Y. However, this was a AI-partitioning agreement if u get what i meen, not an agreement of always-the-same-borders(which almost would meen a perm NAP). So I did NOT lie!

 

[admiral drake]

Drake said something else, "won't happend , ottos already established you as main threat and knows i own him and got peace treaty +esteblished borders"

sorry drake if you didnt want me to show this, but i will not accept WC lie!

both sides do whats best for there country in east thats main reason there was a drawned borders of what provs we could take from ai signed in beginning ,i won't attack him and he won't me simple cause we can't afford 2front wars

even if you make rule to prevent nap wich i would definatly hate i would stil not attack ottos or poland

 

[arcorelli]

Well i will continue to be defensive like i have been all game. France is a ticking time bomb just waiting to launch his assault on europe.

Defensive? Tell that for the oppresed french in Gascogne :rofl: The first french-habsburg war what ended in the loss of 3 provinces was not particularly defensive.

Anyway, we can assure the kings and rulers of Europe that France is not interested in their holdings or posessions. We only want to crush the Habsburgs. I guess that is 'Europe' to them

BTW, who cares about the pope. France is reformed, followers of the true teachings of Calvin.

Anyway, in the thread everyone put their foes as evil thiefs and barbarians that threat the peace of Europe and themselves as a fair, good and not threatening country. IMHO, is part of the game (and a fun one at the end).

 

[unmerged(11216)]

France trashing habsburgs? sounds good to me!

gonna sleep now goodnight

 

[unmerged(7276)]

Defensive? Tell that for the oppresed french in Gascogne The first french-habsburg war what ended in the loss of 3 provinces was not particularly defensive.

What makes you think the good people of Gascogne want to be part of france? They are devout catholcs and are offended by that suggestion.

 

[admiral drake]

BTW the pope also protests against certain nations alliances/deals with the muslim OE. You should be ashamed of yourself and you will go to hell

who cares , not a single catholic naton dealing with ottos :rofl:

 

[arcorelli]

What makes you think the good people of Gascogne want to be part of france? They are devout catholcs and are offended by that suggestion.

Like all good french, they are french first, catholics second. They know how arrogant and oppresive those castillians are.

And secondly, and most important, you were not making a defensive war then. Spanish propaganda is so simple

 

[admiral drake]

What makes you think the good people of Gascogne want to be part of france? They are devout catholcs and are offended by that suggestion.

culture is closer then religion , those poor spanish got to go out more if you think bordeux likes to be part of spanish :rofl:

 

[admiral drake]

France trashing habsburgs? sounds good to me!

hehe i think not many non-habsburgs wil opose to that

 

[Fredrik82]

both sides do whats best for there country in east thats main reason there was a drawned borders signed in beginning ,i won't attack him and he won't me simple cause we can't afford 2front wars

even if you make rule to prevent nap wich i would definatly hate i would stil not attack ottos or poland ever

of course, but that sucks in RP and it indeed sucks for the game, proclaiming that a war will never happend between Russia and OE is absurd, its maybe gain you countries but it still makes the game less fun, as cheech said War=Fun=EU2, you guys have killed a big part of the game. And i'm not whinning about me here, because WC offered me a perm boarder aswell, but how fun is that? If i would accept it it would have been like playing monopoly or something....

But, if thats what you guys want, fine, end of discussion!

 

[King John]

so far we have 3 for the no-NAP rule and non against. Maybe we can all agree on something ... We're still missing 8 votes though

 

[admiral drake]

of course, but that sucks in RP and it indeed sucks for the game, proclaiming that a war will never happend between Russia and OE is absurd, its maybe gain you countries but it still makes the game less fun, as cheech said War=Fun=EU2, you guys have killed a big part of the game. And i'm not whinning about me here, because WC offered me a perm boarder aswell, but how fun is that? If i would accept it it would have been like playing monopoly or something....

But, if thats what you guys want, fine, end of discussion!

better shut up about this , brandenburg not fighting austria is worse then russia not fighting ottos

besides only reason youre complaining about this is that you can't beat ottos alone

 

[Specterx]

I'm against the NAP rule. One vote so far.

 

[admiral drake]

so far we have 3 for the no-NAP rule and non against. Maybe we can all agree on something ... We're still missing 8 votes though

i vote against

and won't work eitherway , nothing/few gonna change even if you make a rule