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The Question to readers

It is 1939 and some important events are coming soon.
The most interesting events for me are about destiny of Poland - alliance with UK and Danzig or War.

The question is:
could I modify some events or should I stay close to vanilla Armageddon?

Both ways have some points of interest, but the strategy of playing could be very different.

So, what choice do you like more?
 

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in such a sitation i think an alliance with the UK would be really unfeasible, so modify it.
as for danzig or war i'm not sure.
a) caving in to the demands would secure you your ally (ally with a navy without ports ;) ) but would create a probably boring game, where germany all pre-barbarossa areas (except for poland) and either stalemates with the allies or starts a war with the soviets, having just memel and romania to go thru.
b) on the other hand if poland goes to war over danzig you have pretty much lost them as an ally. japan has enough business to take care of and you're in no position to actually help them.
c) deleting the even would pretty much lead to the same situation as a) just with danzig staying in polish hands
d) another option is to ally with germany and get poland into the axis. but this would also lead to an unexpected eastern front. as polish border is more to the east than the german-soviet border in '41 and the polish border takes the majority of the frontline it could lead to poland to take most of the territiories. of course it would be fun to watch poland recreate the old borders of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth and beyond, but that would be totally missing the point of german barbarossa and the desire for lebensraum.

i think from these options only b & d make any sense storywise (but in d) you'd probably have to manually transfer some provinces from poland to germany at some point)

edit:
and even without the anglo-polish alliance, the allies should be able to attack germany anyway, as they have GoI on poland
 

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Yes, modify the Danzig or War events.
 

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OK, gentlemen
thanks for your choice!

while I could wait for some new opinions, I am inclining to possibility of modification, if some events will be illogical to this story.
 
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Are you going to be stuck with Okada as Prime Minister for a while?
I would change him, but I believe I've lost the chain of coup events, and now it is difficult to move him off.
 

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The Fate of Netherlands. Another Question.

I have some variants what to do with Netherlands and need your opinion: which variants are historical and realistic, which are not.


first group - without any cheats.

1. Poland annexes Netherlands. All the colonies go to Japan and Siam.
this is an easy variant without any cheats. but I'm sure, that Poland AI will unable to coordinate two separate territories. Add to this lack of transport convoys.

2. Japan demands all the colonies. Netherlands stay independent.
Solid variant, but has a little sense, since Japan already in fact control all the colonies.

3. Japan puppets Netherlands. And gets some few colonies.
Complicated variant, since Dutch East India will be divided, and I would like to keep it intact. Also it seems to me unrealistically from the point of view of Japan.

second group with some cheats or save/loads

4. Poland annexes Netherlands. All the colonies go to Japan and Siam. After that Poland liberates Netherlands.
Good enough, but Netherlands will lose all its army and fleet. It is strange for puppet.

5. Poland puppets Netherlands via cheat. All the colonies go to Japan and Siam.
Netherlands will not lose its army. But it will be hard to manipulate with dutch, since it will be alien puppet.

6. Japan puppets Netherlands via cheat and gets all the colonies.
This variant is my favourite but I'm in great doubt about its realism and gameyness.

Also, Netherlands have a huge amount of resources and money.
So in case of Netherlands exist, they will pay to Japan and Poland contribution.
If Netherlands are annexed, annexing side will pay a half to the other.

Also I think about presenting to Poland one big island in Indonesia, Celebes. It has no resources, but it has a port, an airbase and 1VP. So, Poland become colonial state. Do you think it is realistic?


Waiting for your thoughts.
 
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if i remember correctly you attacked the netherlands just to get the colonies and their mainland territories were needed to finally peace out.
in that case i think the netherlands should get a paternalist govt and join the union as a puppet at first. and that should be japan's puppet. it would be nice to keep their current army, that would make hitler think twice about claiming danzig. anyway if poland doesn't get into war germany shouldn't attack holland while going for france (i don't remember if it was an event).

as for colonies give sth insignificant to poland. at that time all countries wanted colonies. and besides otherwise poland wouldn't gain anything from the whole war.
 

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I vote for the 3rd and 6th options.
 

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I think Poland should annex the Netherlands. Whatever happens next will be natural and won't have the tinge of cheatiness to it.
 

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I vote option 5. Losing the army might make sense as it is reasonable little of the old regime will stay loyal to the new leadership of Netherlands. And remember, in such cases cheats aren't really cheats, but rather extensions of the game where its functions are lacking.
 

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OK. Thank you, gentlemen!

I decided to avoid cheats yet. (Although I'll use them to reshuffle some provinces and get contribution)
After many tries I found that variant 2 is the most suitable and historical.

My approach is formed now. Finally, I'll try to follow usual current of events in Europe. So, no tricks with Poland or Netherlands. But I think about some new features to make the story more interesting )