Sacking cities -- a question and a proposal

[Francis II]

I noticed that when I take a holding in war, I get money (like the old "sack city" feature in CK1) but does an equivalent amount of gold come out of the enemy's coffers?

As to the proposal -- when a holding is stormed by an enemy army, should the level of walls be reduced by one? In a siege I can see everything being passed on intact, but when you take it by storm, I kind of picture some holes being knocked in the walls, don't you?

 

[yezhanquan]

I would think that sieging in those days involve more of climbing ladders up the walls rather than knocking them down.

As for the gold, I am not sure. I just take them as they come.

 

[Wezqu]

As yezhanquan said in these times they went more over the walls than through them. Not to mention that its not fun to have all lords rebuilding their walls every time someone comes and wins a siege on their holding. It would be annoying micromanagment for the player and another obstackle for the AI.

 

[The_Blind_One]

Most walls were quite easily repaired. Since enemies could only really poke holes into the wall. You'd just need to fill those holes again.

This is represented by the fact that the levy and garrison are depleted when you conquer the holding and win the siege. The refilling of the garrison represents the rebuilding of the defensive structures and the manning of the walls.

Most walls were destroyed by the conquerer if they decided to take the wall down AFTER they had conquered the city already and forbade the city from having a wall thus tearing it down. But this is after the fact they had conquered it. Walls themselves rarely got demolished untill gunpowder age...and even then they just shot holes into it...

 

[No idea]

I noticed that when I take a holding in war, I get money (like the old "sack city" feature in CK1) but does an equivalent amount of gold come out of the enemy's coffers?

As to the proposal -- when a holding is stormed by an enemy army, should the level of walls be reduced by one? In a siege I can see everything being passed on intact, but when you take it by storm, I kind of picture some holes being knocked in the walls, don't you?

Regarding your first question, I think that, when I have lost a holding of my own, I have also lost money, so I assume the same will be for the AI.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Regarding your first question, I think that, when I have lost a holding of my own, I have also lost money, so I assume the same will be for the AI.

Indeed, and when you're just at 6 gold and with -2 per month due to mercs and are quite close to winning... my oh my does it sting when 10 to 20 gold just flow out. Specially if it's a province you recently recaptured and hence only has token garrison being repaired.

 

[Lwantssugar]

How about giving a "recently raided" malus to county holdings which causes them to not operate at 100% for a while

 

[shypixel]

How about giving a "recently raided" malus to county holdings which causes them to not operate at 100% for a while

And this would be different from the existing "recently conquered" malus how?

(Not being sarcastic, I just think that the recently conquered flag already does what you describe)

 

[Hackworthy]

I think it's absolutely fine as it is. I have more important things to micromanage.

 

[Lwantssugar]

And this would be different from the existing "recently conquered" malus how?

(Not being sarcastic, I just think that the recently conquered flag already does what you describe)

Recently conquered reflects the local population being upset about a foreign lord conquering them, which is why they won't pay taxes, serve in the army, and peasant revolts are more likely

The thing I'm suggesting would only apply to holdings that were raided and not sieged out.it could last just a month or so to reflect repairs taking place

 

[Enravota]

And this would be different from the existing "recently conquered" malus how?

(Not being sarcastic, I just think that the recently conquered flag already does what you describe)

Recently conquered appears after the holdings switch hands, not during the actual war IIRC.

 

[unmerged(457738)]

Recently conquered reflects the local population being upset about a foreign lord conquering them, which is why they won't pay taxes, serve in the army, and peasant revolts are more likely

If you lose your own holding and take it back a week later you get the recently conquered penalty, which really makes no sense.

 

[The_Blind_One]

If you lose your own holding and take it back a week later you get the recently conquered penalty, which really makes no sense.

But atleast you don't get a foreign culture/religion penalty...unless ofcourse it is a foreign province

It's only like 5 years if its the same culture/religion. Thats quite reasonable considering you sacked and burned the whole province to the ground if it were real history.

 

[Lorehead]

If you lose your own holding and take it back a week later you get the recently conquered penalty, which really makes no sense.

Is this meant to represent that being sacked harmed the local economy?

 

[Talq]

How about giving a "recently raided" malus to county holdings which causes them to not operate at 100% for a while

Needing to refill the garrison means you wont be getting levies out of it for a while, and you already lost gold on the sack, so what this adds is questionable.