Sabinada and Balaiada Revolts in Brazil between 1837 and 1841

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The Brazilian monarchy was pretty popular even when it was overthrown actually. Sure there were republicans, but the emperor still enjoyed widespread support. Essentially a small clique in the military, backed by coffee barons angry at him and his daughter over the abolition of slavery, launched a palace coup and Pedro II didn’t want to fight it (if he had, they almost certainly would have failed).

He was getting old, was weary of being Emperor, he felt him not having a surviving son was a sign from God about the future of the Brazilian monarchy. Had he stuck around longer, loyalist forces could have easily overwhelmed the putsch and he might have realized how little support the coup had, but he was ready for retirement, so just left. And Brazil ended up going through a succession of corrupt republics and tin pot dictatorships like the rest of the continent instead of remaining a prosperous and relatively stable constitutional monarchy. There’s no reason why a player couldn’t do differently, even if the game had a much later start date than it does.
 
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My bad, I should have put army, instead of navy, as that was where most of the republicans in the military were.
Anyway, the point remains that in 1836, Brazil becoming a Republic was not set in stone. Even in 1889, National Congress had what? 3 republican congressmen? The majority of the people were against that. They only succeeded because there was a sizeable (but not the vast majority) of the military in favor of a Republic (specially in the capital) AND the owners of the coffee plantations who got pissed with the abolition of slavery the year before. Which is funny, because the first Brazilian president, Deodoro da Fonseca, was an abolitionist and considered himself a friend of the Emperor (or at least that's what he used to say, he could be lying, of course).
The Paraguay War made the Brazilian military army a powerful interest group (in game terms) that the central government mostly didn't care.

Again, for want of a nail and all that. History wasn't set in stone in 1836 that 63 years later Brazil would become a Republic, or that 100 years later, Germany and Russia would be led by paranoid, insane dictators.
 
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Just wanted to thank OP for this post, it was really interesting. I didn't know anything about these revolts, and it was a clear explanation, so thanks again.
 
But it's still correct

But what the other guy meant, and he's correct, is that the republic was an important trigger for that war.

Notice that players in any monarchy should expect reaction from traditionalists if they choose the republican ways. As for players in Brazil, if the local political situation back then gets an at least somewhat realistic representation, they won't really have much choice in not becoming a republic even after decades of gameplay affecting history.

Thus, it would be great to have Canudos as an event to be triggered in case of republic.

It is interesting to note that Canudos had no intention of restoring the monarchy. It is a non-monarchist sebastianist movement.
 
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Sure, by the time the Brazil actually became a republic, it was pretty much a fact it would eventually become one (hindisght and all that). It wasn’t a fact during the regency or during Dom Pedro II early reign. What if he had had a surviving son who had joined the military (something many European princes did)? Maybe he could have made enough friends in it that they could eventually hold personal loyalty to this prince or then could come forward and ask this possible third Emperor to enact a new constitution. All I am saying is that in 1836, Brazil becoming a republic was not set in stone.
No no that's silly. The hypothetical prodigal prince joins the army and makes friends is the theme of a romance or a shounen manga. Plus that doesn't solve the problem. What fell in 1889 was not the royal family. It was the monarchy. As in the political system. The royal family was always well regarded by the cultural zeitgeist of the empire. It just so happens that same culture slowly understood the empire itself to be extremely limited and incapable of reform. And it was.

An Empire of Brazil that survives the 1800s isn't one where people like the royals. People generally did, even as they occasionally made fun of their quirks and such. For an instance there was no contradiction in republican newspapers calling for the head of the schizophrenic Portuguese man who tried to shoot the royals. That's just not the problem.

The Empire of Brazil which survives the 1800s is one where the political élites, Pedro and all are willing and capable of deleveraging the almost picaresque conservative consensus of the 1840s and 50s into new political projects for the 60s and onwards. It's a monarchy that encourages people to settle unused land rather than make it illegal to do so unless you are already rich. It's a monarchy that doesn't fail to build an university because revenues are so concentrated the provinces can't do it themselves and the nobles will fight until the end to see which province gets it first. A monarchy whose reforms do not end with with an abortive Abolition. A monarchy whose confessional nature is no impediment to family and marriage law towards adoptions and divorce. A monarchy that is actually capable of convincing it's core nobility not to exhaust their own land with ill methods of coffee growing. A monarchy that is capable of industrializing and strengthening its armed forces. The list really goes on.
 
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No no that's silly. The hypothetical prodigal prince joins the army and makes friends is the theme of a romance or a shounen manga. Plus that doesn't solve the problem.
I would definitely read that.
But yes, like I said, constitutional reform could have solved all that you mention later.
Again, discussing alt-history it can go to crazy scenarios. If one were to write a fiction in 1830s where the Russian Empire falls to a peasant uprisal and is now lead by a paranoid dictator who pretty much controls the State with an iron grip it would make the tzars of old jealous, everybody would be calling it too improbable.
All I am saying is that the Brazilian Monarchy could have more easily survived if:
A- D. Pedro II had had a surviving son.
B- Political reform had been done sooner.
C- Military interest had been appeased.

Edit: and before I get accused of being a monarchist. No I am not, specially considering the character of the current head of Orléans-Bragança.
 
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discussing alt-history
The thing is that there is no such thing.

Out of intellectual honesty the most you can historically say is that if Pedro had managed to score a more liberal cabinet in 1889 and those guys started the Federalization reforms then maybe the monarchy would have lasted somewhat longer. That's the limit of alternatives in historical research. To look at what people at a historical moment wanted to do and how their failures elucidate what truly occurred. If you go even back further in time then it's moot simply because of the butterfly effect. At the end of the day what you're saying is: 'Tha monarchy would have been fine if the crisis of the 1880s was solved in the 1860s and no new crisis came up'. You might as well say 'well the monarchy would have survived if there hadn't been a crisis'.

By the way this is not to say that the monarchy should be a hard sell in Victoria 3. It's a game. Your country is supposed to succeed in it. And you'd have to roleplay a lot of 'bad decisions' to simulate something like imperial Brazil's stagnation or the Mexican civil wars.
 
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The thing is that there is no such thing.
I disagree here. We can discuss alt-history as much as we want. We just need to consider what is our point of divergency and go from there.

Because my initial argument was exactly this: in 1836 Brazil going from a monarchy to a republic was not something set in stone. If we take Brazil in 1836 and lots of stuff that happened IRL didn't happen, then probably Brazil would have remained a monarchy longer.
Call that for want of a nail, butterfly effect, whatever...
 
And a game isn’t entertainment? Sorry, I am trying to understand what we are even discussing now…
 
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The Brazilian monarchy was pretty popular even when it was overthrown actually. Sure there were republicans, but the emperor still enjoyed widespread support. Essentially a small clique in the military, backed by coffee barons angry at him and his daughter over the abolition of slavery, launched a palace coup and Pedro II didn’t want to fight it (if he had, they almost certainly would have failed).
This is just a simplified narrative widespread in pop history circles that try to portray the fall of the monarchy as an accident of history, the monarchy itself as an ever successful regime, and the empire of brazil as a 'first world nation' well on the way to reaching 'developed status'. As such it hangs on a half-truth: that the 'monarchy' was popular. Pedro II was definitely popular and so was his family, perhaps with the sole exception of his son in law. But the Monarchy with a capital M, the system of government in itself spent the last 10 years of its life losing hearts and minds amongst the general population, either due to it's inability to act on political demands, the inefficiency of its public services, or due to the propaganda campaign of the Republican Movement.

The government wasn't brought down by a 'small clique' in the military and the aristocracy either. The army officialdom was united in it's utter contempt for the aristocracy. The older half of them, the ones that had reached positions of proeminence under the old(er) system of nepotism and patronage - represented by Marshal Deodoro da Fonseca - were only held back due to sentimental ties to the superior officers who patronized their rise but were still constantly up in arms by how the Court never really trusted the Army. It gets worse among younger officers, who at climbed the ranks after the modernization of the army and add to this matter of 'honor' their utter contempt for the aristocracy, the do nothing political elite, and their concerns on how to defend an enormous sparsely populated territory as that of Brazil's without true economic industrialization. This does not even include the spread of positivist ideology among the ranks. Hell, the Brazilian Navy, seen at the time as a bastion of the Monarchy, never mobilized in defence of the Monarchy itself, they only mobilized during the early republican period in defense of the republican constitution.

The Aristocracy that brought down the Empire was not a small clique either. The landlords of the Empire of Brazil were never truly happy with the centralizing regime of the Monarchy. They only came around to it in the 1830s and 1840s (very basically) because they came to understand that every time a local group of grandees tries to oppose the government in Rio they are either eventually squashed due to lack of popular support, or they call upon the peasants to rise up only to threaten the structures that support the aristocracy itself. The aristocrats don't like paying taxes to Rio. They don't like when Rio's tax and tariff policies hurt their interests to the benefit of those who live in the Court itself. They are mostly forced to cooperate due to a common interest in pacifying the country after the 1830s Regency and to preserve both the general pattern of land-ownership in Brazil, favoring old families with large estates, and, especially, Slavery. By the 1880s the Aristocracy in the provinces are already screaming their lungs out demanding a Federalization of the central government. Periodicals would often claim that either the Monarchy became a federation or the Federation would destroy the Monarchy. Like with the Navy, when the Aristocracy of the provinces heard that the Court had fallen and the Republic had been proclaimed, their priority was not to defend the government or the Emperor. Their response then would be either enthusiastic or ambivalent. What they did afterward was navigate the following years of turmoil to ensure that the Brazilian Republic was one to their liking. The Abolition of Slavery was just the straw the broke the camel's back: the only section of the landowning class that was by default more or less in favor of the unitary Monarchy was that of the court's surroundings. These are the original coffee barons, the ones with whose support the central government could stand against peasant rebellions and revolutions. And they were also the ones most dependent on slavery. They generally became republicans after Abolition but they were in such dire straits that they couldn't be the pillar of the government even if they wanted to.

And then you have the middle classes. The growing (but still pretty small) sliver of the population which starts the Republican Movement. Doctors, Lawyers, Small Entrepeneurs and the like, they are the sort of people who came into themselves believing in a lot of the fundamental ideals that the Empire itself believed in. The notions of the time concerning government and 'Civilization'. The Empire of Brazil presented itself as a 'Civilizing' entity (read: becoming more like Europe [read: becoming more like France]). As such it would build monuments, schools, spread the national language, rationalize the economy, defend private property, settle and exploit the natives, make sure the peasants don't rise up and so on. The problem is that in the 1880s there is this growing feeling that Brazil itself is being left behind in that same game of becoming a bit more like Europe and, worse, the Empire isn't falling behind just because of inaction. It is actively making things worse. How so? Here's one example: While there were sectors of the middle classes that cared deeply for issues like Abolition and Federalization/Decentralization, they also believe that certain people shouldn't be able to vote. Namely the illiterate who still somehow has the amount of wealth required to vote. That person, they'd say, doesn't vote in their own interests or in the interests of the country. They sell their vote. Likewise, the inability of the government to create an actual school system or the likelihood of chiefs of police in the Imperial Court to call upon shall we say ruffians (black supporters of the imperial family) to intimidate voters or beat down republican gatherings just made these people even more mad. And it only got worse after Abolition. Meanwhile the Argentinean Republic is in it's Golden Age, the Mexicans under the would be technocrat Porfírio Diaz appeals a lot to what sectors of the brazilian army would enjoy in a government, Colombia is doing fairly well, the material gains in the United States can no longer be denied, and France, regardless of it's internal issues, remains the primary reference of the intelligentsia as to what 'european culture' is, and it's a republic. Those who mirror themselves in the United Kingdom are more and more of a minority.

As you can imagine the last gasp of support for the Monarchy came after the Golden Law and the Abolition of Slavery. This is both more and less important than it sounds. It's more important because while there were 'only' 700k slaves out of something like 13 million people, the final abolition of slavery anywhere and in all circumstances concern more than just the recently enslaved. Until about the 1860s if you were black or brown or the great grand son of someone who had been a slave and lived as a free man your whole life it was entirely possible that some landlord could complain to the local judge that you are actually their property and the odds were with them. In, I think, 1851 or 1852 there was even a peasant revolt called the Wasp War where thousands of peasants armed themselves and occupied public squares across the northeast. The reason? The Empire had recently decided to do a public census with unified books. Everyone would be in the same counting, wether they were slaves, former slaves or freedmen or not. And there was a rumour circulating that this was a conspiracy to re-enslave everybody. In the 1860s and onwards judges started denying petitions for re-enslavement but as you can guess there were people whose True and Legal Opinion is that such moves were an unfair treatment of property owners. This is the sort of world that people lived at the time. So it's very hard to overstate how grateful blacks and peasants would feel toward Princess Isabel when she forced the Golden Law through parliament. The Monarchy had finally used it's personal power to make a direct, real difference in a lot of black and brown people's lives so of course they were extremely grateful. But here's the kicker:

They didn't matter.

The Empire of Brazil was not a participatory government. It was not a democracy. It fell many years before mass politics even became a thing in Europe. So while there were groups of capoeiras who closed streets after the Republic was proclaimed they could no longer count on the tacit support of the chiefs of police. The government had changed. Indeed the Empire of Brazil was so centralized that causing it's end was a matter of controlling Rio's main throughfare and merely communicating that fact to the provinces. That was it. The poors meanwhile had never had much of a say in the government of the Empire. They weren't organized or self organizing in a way that could sustain a regime. The purpose of the people, broadly speaking, had been to be Emperor's cortege. They were there work their due and celebrate the Emperor's birthday and the Empire's victory in the War and so on. But they weren't in the halls of power. They were not a part of the Court. A government that never gave a group of people much of a stake in it's processes until it's very end shouldn't expect them to rise up in it's defense. And they arguably didn't. They wished to defend the Princess Isabel and her father from rumours of would be assassins, not the Empire's senators or the liberal conservative cabinet of the Viscount of Ouro Preto. So the capoeiras were quickly dispersed. And that was the end of that.
 
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I hope devs will read Delterius' very accurate summary of what Brazilian political situation really was in Victorian era. I would disagree only with "do nothing political elite" because those people were definitely not doing nothing, they were just very conservative and doing a great job of hampering any bit of advancement that could risk their status quo. I would also add that the Golden Law wasn't really forced by the Princess, it was actually forced by the liberals, of which the most extremists were republicans. And they had been trying literally for centuries.

On the subject of alt-history, please notice that I'm not denying how great it would be to keep Brazil a monarchy in the game. Just do it, guys. Have fun.

All I'm saying is that trying such a remarkable feat should feel really hard, because it undeniably was. At least for me, grand strategy games should provide a decent simulation of history so we can try to change it if we want, as long as we're good enough. We should totally be able to try whatever we feel like, but things that lack historical support should be hard in order to be fun.

If I really need to see something that couldn't reasonably have happened in real life, like monarchies still thriving in America, then I could always pick easy mode.
 
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