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That's not all that uncommon though :) Like how we lump all those little wars between France and England together into one nice long century of war.
- except you call those war not Agincourt war. Il repeat he specifically refereed to Crimean War of 1854, a war in which Ottomans backed by French DoWed Russia. And now PhroX creating superficial and far stretched excuses to present French, Brits and Turks as somehow defenders in those war.
 

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Awwww, no Ruina Imperii?

I would mod Ruina Imperii to play whenever I have <15% Manpower and >5 War Exhaustion.
konungens hemfärd (long live the king) every time a ruler dies.
 

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Only if your ruler is also a leader of at least 4 Shock. \m/
I think you are over valuing Carl XII, now Carl XI he'd have loads of pips.
 
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Yes. Thank you. Finally someone else that knows that Carolus Rex is better in Swedish.

And personally, I don't mind the Sabaton music pack. I listen to quiet alot of their music, and I find that Carolus Rex is the perfect Metal album for this game. Some people probably disagree with me, and that's why the music packs are optional and have no impact on gameplay. Don't want it? Don't buy it.
Everything is better in Swedish.
 

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Well, in this game he is 6/6/5/2 (same as the great Marlborough), iirc.
How very swedish of paradox... Can I atleast hope that Gustav II Adolf is better?
 

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Have you listened to them? I reccomend lifetime at war, by far the best song on the list.
- err... yes? I dont really like Sabaton, i find their war glorifying songs to be distasteful and mainly targeted at certain crowd. I just pointed out of 5 songs selected by Pdx, 4 are from Carolus Rex album, and out of those 4, 3 are about Swedish Space Marines and their Primarch - Tyranosaurus Karl but for some rAISIn unexplained non of those 3 are Poltava. He He He.
 
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How very swedish of paradox... Can I atleast hope that Gustav II Adolf is better?
Gustavus Adolphus is 6/5/6/1, which I think is a fair assessment.

If you look at the K/D ratios of their battles, it's not hard to argue that Charles XII is just as good a general, if not better. I would put Charles XII at around 5/6/5/1.
 

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Gustavus Adolphus is 6/5/6/1, which I think is a fair assessment.

If you look at the K/D ratios of their battles, it's not hard to argue that Charles XII is just as good a general, if not better.

Karl XII had the advantage of what was perhpas the finest army in Europe, though he certainly was a fine general. A terrible king, mind you, but a fine general.
 
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- it was Ottomans who DoWed Russia not other way around. And he is specifically mentioned a war of 1854. By your logic WW2 could be called just a WW1 continuation war.

The Ottos declared, but it was the Russians who attacked first - hence Russians invading (when it comes to who takes the blame, the answer is, as usual, everyone). And it wasn't a continuation war, the Crimean War was the same conflict - the Crimean part is simply the most well known in the west, and it was the site of the most decisive battles, hence the entire war is known as "The Crimean War", even though the earlier fighting in the war didn't occur on the peninsula.
 

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- except you call those war not Agincourt war. Il repeat he specifically refereed to Crimean War of 1854, a war in which Ottomans backed by French DoWed Russia. And now PhroX creating superficial and far stretched excuses to present French, Brits and Turks as somehow defenders in those war.
Yeah yeah, I was only responding to the comparison. Who has the war-blame for the Crimean I've no idea, nor for that matter, much interest in XD One Imperial power mucking with another is much of the same, no matter who pokes first.
 

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The Ottos declared, but it was the Russians who attacked first - hence Russians invading (when it comes to who takes the blame, the answer is, as usual, everyone). And it wasn't a continuation war, the Crimean War was the same conflict - the Crimean part is simply the most well known in the west, and it was the site of the most decisive battles, hence the entire war is known as "The Crimean War", even though the earlier fighting in the war didn't occur on the peninsula.
- even Wiki doesnt call it like that and consider that war to be a separate conflict, neither it would matter because, ill repeat - he specifically mentioned Russia invading in Crimean War of 1854. And stretching reality to suit your narrow need of finding an excuse for blunder in the internet conversation leads to nowhere, because by applying your logic we can revise alot of historical conflicts.

Yeah yeah, I was only responding to the comparison. Who has the war-blame for the Crimean I've no idea, nor for that matter, much interest in XD One Imperial power mucking with another is much of the same, no matter who pokes first.
- its kind of does, always, it doesnt matter weather they are "imperial" or not.
 
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- even Wiki doesnt call it like that and consider that war to be a separate conflict, neither it would matter because, ill repeat - he specifically mentioned Russia invading in Crimean War of 1854. And stretching reality to suit your narrow need of finding an excuse for blunder in the internet conversation leads to nowhere, because by applying your logic we can revise alot of historical conflicts.

Er....what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

While the churches eventually worked out their differences and came to an initial agreement, both Nicholas I of Russia and Napoleon III refused to back down. Nicholas issued an ultimatum that the Orthodox subjects of the Empire be placed under his protection. Britain attempted to mediate, and arranged a compromise that Nicholas agreed to. When the Ottomans demanded changes, Nicholas refused and prepared for war. Having obtained promises of support from France and Britain, the Ottomans officially declared war on Russia in October 1853.

The war opened in the
Balkans when Russian troops occupied provinces in modern Romania and began to cross the Danube. Led by Omar Pasha, the Ottomans fought a strong defensive battle and stopped the advance at Silistra. A separate action on the fort town of Kars in eastern Turkey led to a siege, and a Turkish attempt to reinforce the garrison was destroyed by a Russian fleet at Sinop. Fearing an Ottoman collapse, France and the UK rushed forces to Gallipoli. Then moved north to Varna in June, arriving just in time for the Russians to abandon Silistra. Aside from a minor skirmish at Constanța there was little for the allies to do. Karl Marx quipped that "there they are, the French doing nothing and the British helping them as fast as possible".[10]

Frustrated by the wasted effort, and with demands for action from their citizens, the allied force decided to attack the center of Russian strength in the
Black Sea at Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula. After extended preparations, the forces landed on the peninsula in September 1854 and fought their way to a point south of Sevastopol after a series of successful battles. The Russians counterattacked on 25 October in what became the Battle of Balaclava and were repulsed, but at the cost of seriously depleting the British Army forces. A second counterattack, ordered personally by Nicholas, was defeated by Omar Pasha. The front settled into a siege and led to horrible conditions for everyone involved. Smaller actions were carried out in the Baltic, the Caucasus, the White Sea and in the North Pacific.

Sevastopol fell after eleven months, and formerly neutral countries began to join the allied cause. Isolated and facing a bleak prospect of invasion from the west if the war continued, Russia sued for peace in March 1856. This was welcomed by France and the UK, where the citizens began to turn against their governments as the war dragged on. The war was officially ended by the
Treaty of Paris, signed on 30 March 1856. Russia lost the war, and was forbidden from hosting warships in the Black Sea. The Ottoman vassal states of Wallachia and Moldavia became largely independent. Christians were granted a degree of official equality, and the Orthodox church regained control of the Christian churches in dispute

So yeah, as I've been saying, the conflict known in the west as the Crimean War began with an Ottoman declaration of war followed by a Russian invasion of Romania. Where exactly is this stretching of reality?
 

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Er....what?
- err...what? Wiki: Crimean War Part of the Ottoman wars in Europe and the Russo-Turkish wars.
A rather stretched series of conflicts to bundled in one in order to prove statement that was wrong from beginning.

So yeah, as I've been saying, the conflict known in the west as the Crimean War began with an Ottoman declaration of war followed by a Russian invasion of Romania. Where exactly is this stretching of reality?
- original quote -
its About the crimean war off 1854 when the russians where invading as per usual :D
So more learning to read and understand what you reading for you i guess?
 
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- err...what? Wiki: Crimean War Part of the Ottoman wars in Europe and the Russo-Turkish wars.
A rather stretched series of conflicts to bundled in one in order to prove statement that was wrong from beginning.

- original quote -
So more learning to read and understand what you reading for you i guess?

Did you even read the article I quoted? The "Crimean War" began with the Ottoman declaration and Russian invasion of Romania of late '53, and lasted until the treaty of Paris in '56. It was indeed part of a series of conflicts between the Russians and Ottomans, but that was a single war, with a clearly defined beginning and end. The part of the war occurring in Crimea began in '54, hence Metallord's confusion with the dates (as that's the more well known campaign), but the war as a whole began in the previous year.

Saying the campaigns in late '53 in Romania weren't part of the same war as the battles in Crimea in '54-56, would be like saying that, say, Operation Barbarossa and Operation Citadel were part of separate wars. And that war involved a Russian invasion. It's not complicated, I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue about.
 
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I dont really like Sabaton, i find their war glorifying songs to be distasteful and mainly targeted at certain crowd.

What I find applies to most metal bands of their thematic area is that their lyrics are purposefully over the top to the point of being cringeworthy (remember Manowar?). I wouldn't call them satire per se, but when comparing most of these bands "in-character" and "out-of-character", one often finds that their intent is either more focused on just storytelling or something kind of satirical. While I'm sure they exist, I personally am not familiar with any martial-metal-with-historical-references-band that actively tries to push a nationalistic/violence-glorifying message.

Which of course is not to say they can't be understood as such, but then again, that's down to the listener who for all intents and purposes should be assumed to be an educated, mature human being possessing a degree of media awareness.
 

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Did you even read the article I quoted? The "Crimean War" stretched from the Ottoman declaration and Russian invasion of Romania of late '53, and lasted until the treaty of Paris in '56. It was indeed part of a series of conflicts between the Russians and Ottomans, but that was a single war, with a clearly defined beginning and end.
- did you even read what i wrote about thousand times already - the original point made by Metallord is wrong and wiki itself states that war started via Ottomans dowing Russia. The whole "series of conflicts" between Russia and Ottomans dont matter because those "conflicts" could be traced back to troyan wars.
The part of the war occurring in Crimea began in '54, hence Metallord's confusion with the dates (as that's the more well known campaign), but the war as a whole began in the previous year..
- LoL and now in desperate attempt to save his face he is started to speak for other.:D
Saying the campaigns in late '53 in Romania weren't part of the same war as the battles in Crimea in '54-56, would be like saying that, say, Operation Barbarossa and Operation Citadel were part of separate wars
- No its more like saying that WW2 never happened because WW1 never ended.