Ruthenian ethnic diversion

[Jan-Franciszek]

It is a common fact that Ruthenia has many ethnic groups inside its borders. German nation has Rheinlander, Pommeranian, Swabian, Austrian etc. and actually the same situation is with Ruthenia. There are several major ethnic groups which differs from each other by language (dialects), rites, anthropology, they are: Galicjans (in-game Przemyśl, Lwów, Halicz, Belz and that part of Podolia which is now Ternopil region belongs to Galicja), Volhynians (Wołyń/Volhyn, Rowne), Rusyns (Maramaros, Zemplen), Podolians (Podolia, Bratslav), Polesians (Żytomierz/Zhytomyr, Kiev/Kijów/Kyiv, Pereyaslav), Siverians (Czernigów/Chernihiv, Siveria), Chercasians (Cherkasy, Poltava, Ingil, Mansur, Yedisan, Zaporozhia), Slobodians (Kharkov, Kursk). Actually, in-game borders in Eastern Europe quite failed (the same as eastern ethnic groups - romanians and albanian are not of slavonic origin though there they are considered as slavonics). So, the point is that almost all of listet above ethnic groups had own principalities and very arguing with each other as germans did. It seems logicaly to divide Ruthenian into real ethnic groups which will form Ruthenian cultural group (there could be included belarusian ethnic groups forming one macro-group or so). It would be right step in developing the game as not all Ruthenian ideas are actually acceptable for each ethnicity which forms Ruthenia (can't imagine greek-catholic Galicjans fighting for Russian Orthodox church as it is in national idea with Russian Orthodoxy and so on).

 

[talilu]

HRE, unlike Ruthenia, was filled with so many states and complex politics etc. but Ruthenia seems like PLC-Russia's personal playground. I would support maybe a divide in 2 but a divide in 5-6 would be too much. Which 2 would be most accurate for a division?

 

[Jan-Franciszek]

HRE, unlike Ruthenia, was filled with so many states and complex politics etc. but Ruthenia seems like PLC-Russia's personal playground. I would support maybe a divide in 2 but a divide in 5-6 would be too much. Which 2 would be most accurate for a division?

it is quite possible to divide into Western, Central and Eastern. Ruthenia was filled with many states too, but a bit earlier than in EU4 starts. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Principalities_of_Kievan_Rus'_(1054-1132).jpg

 

[Jan-Franciszek]

HRE, unlike Ruthenia, was filled with so many states and complex politics etc. but Ruthenia seems like PLC-Russia's personal playground. I would support maybe a divide in 2 but a divide in 5-6 would be too much. Which 2 would be most accurate for a division?

11th century

• Principality of Polotsk
  • Principality of Minsk
• Principality of Smolensk
• Principality of Pereyaslavl
• Principality of Volhynia
• Principality of Kiev
  • Principality of Galicia
  • Principality of Turov and Pinsk
• Principality of Chernigov
  • Murom-Ryazan Principality
  • Principality of Novgorod-Seversk
• City of Tmutarakan
• Belaya Vezha
• Southern dependencies Oleshky, New Galich, Peresechen'
• Drevlian
  And it is without northern Rus' principalities as Novgorod etc.

 

[DaDerpyDude]

Actually, in-game borders in Eastern Europe quite failed (the same as eastern ethnic groups - romanians and albanian are not of slavonic origin though there they are considered as slavonics). [/QUOTE]

Oh so you would rather have Romania in the italian culture group and albania as a one province independent culture group?

The developers already sayed that romanian is slavonic in-game because of culture similarities, despite the language being a romance one.

 

[talilu]

Well, the really much suggested Carpathian culture group would be a great Culture fix for Hungarians and Romanians.

Albanians could hang out with Greeks, I don't see why not.

 

[123e55]

Oh so you would rather have Romania in the italian culture group and albania as a one province independent culture group?

The developers already sayed that romanian is slavonic in-game because of culture similarities, despite the language being a romance one.

Well, I think there is a Latin group? (or not? Correct me if I'm wrong) and they could put it there, and do the same with romance languages.
And what culture similarities? Lol.. Slavonics had only a little influence at phonetics and some words, but it is not that noticeable.
And about Albania.. I really don't know what to say.. They can be an independent culture group.. For the sake of history.. But I don't know if It is that important

 

[User4035]

There is no Latin group. And there is no point to add one mechanics wise.

As for the ruthenian. It could be split up but the question is how much?

Simply being of a different religion doesn't qualify because there I a religion mechanic for that.

Also the game is centered around 1444 start date. So one has to look at source material for that period.


I've done a few culture threads that seem to get noticed. I might do one for ruthenian.

 

[Jan-Franciszek]

There is no Latin group. And there is no point to add one mechanics wise.

As for the ruthenian. It could be split up but the question is how much?

Simply being of a different religion doesn't qualify because there I a religion mechanic for that.
I've done a few culture threads that seem to get noticed. I might do one for ruthenian.

There are noticeble differences in language, as it is in german nation with their dialects. There could be several types of splitting. 1. Very detailed one as I described each major ethnic group. 2. Regional - Western, Central, Eastern. You know, each of those ethnic groups have own tendencies of developing etc. so it can bring great flavour to Eastern Europe. The same can be done with poles and czechs. For example, there is a difference between bohemians and moravians even now. Several slavonic nations are even epsent in EU4. Eastern Europe seems like in beta version in comparising to Western.

 

[123e55]

There is no Latin group. And there is no point to add one mechanics wise.

Hmm. For the sake of history?
Anyway , try to make a post, it would be get in consideration

 

[User4035]

Hmm. For the sake of history?
Anyway , try to make a post, it would be get in consideration

Ya but linguistics isn't the same as culture. It's related yes but not the same.

If you go by linguistics then Indian is European so all Europeans and Indians should be In same group. A very broad grouping.

Another example would be saying Jamaicans are the same as an Irishman because their languages have the same influences.