Russo-Turkish wars in VIP?

[Davisx3m]

As for Leviathan's work here, it does look quite good for the alternate history chain. Might incorporate it somewhat.

It does. But I personally think that Albania would try to make themselfs independent if they were cut of from the main ottoman land. So i think that there should be an event that makes revolts there or even make them independent.

Edit: Oh i see. Someone thinks like me

 

[Archaalen]

Palisadoes, I know that Albania was created in order to prevent if from being annexed by Serbia, but that wouldn't have happened in the first place if the Ottomans had still had a land connection to it. The loss of Thessaloniki was the impetus for the creation of the Albanian state, even if it was in an indirect manner.

 

[panther-anthro]

We'll be replacing that Byzantium chain for something else in the future (hopefully next version). As for Leviathan's work here, it does look quite good for the alternate history chain. Might incorporate it somewhat.

Byzantium hatred, makes me a sad panther.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

Palisadoes, I know that Albania was created in order to prevent if from being annexed by Serbia, but that wouldn't have happened in the first place if the Ottomans had still had a land connection to it. The loss of Thessaloniki was the impetus for the creation of the Albanian state, even if it was in an indirect manner.

Hi Archaalen,
The screenshot I posted shows the borders as they are right after the treaty of San Stefano, before the Berlin Conference resets them. When the Berlin Conference fires, the Ottomans regain the provinces of Kavala, Petric and Skopje, and thus the land connection to Albania is restored. It is true though that without Thessaloniki, the Ottoman position in Macedonia very weak. They should My events do not have Thessaloniki going back to Turkey, but if Greece is allied with Russia, such a revision could be forced on them by the Great Powers, too.

Of course if the Congress of Berlin does not happen then Turkey is screwed and something ought to be done about Albania. (a) great powers have Austria install an Albanian principality under a German princeling as was done later historically (b) Russia goes one step forther and "awards" the territory to its clients Bulgaria and Serbia by forcing San Stefano pt. II on the Turks (c) Albania rebels from the Ottoman empire, and Serbia /Bulgaria /Greece eat them up.

But then the whole "San Stefano stays" case has not been worked out yet beyond Britain dow'ing Russia... has it?

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Palisadoes, I know that Albania was created in order to prevent if from being annexed by Serbia, but that wouldn't have happened in the first place if the Ottomans had still had a land connection to it. The loss of Thessaloniki was the impetus for the creation of the Albanian state, even if it was in an indirect manner.

Hmmm... I suppose such a means of Albania gaining independence early could be added. There should probably be some other conditions too, like some kind-of national awakening event for them, perhaps?

Byzantium hatred, makes me a sad panther.

Haha! No!! I'm part of the Byzantium group on here! I love it, but the mod is aimed at historical plausibility with respect to the ahistoric chains, and Byzantium was simply not one of them, though the Megali Idea was.

 

[unmerged(87616)]

Hey Leviathan I wanna add your events but I am 100% noob at doing that, can you help me? do I put the events as new .txts or do I add them anywhere else, and where do I put the picture to make it appear in the game?

 

[|AXiN|]

Byzantium hatred, makes me a sad panther.

Yes. Byzantium was annexed in 1453, which is the better part of four hundred years before the start of the game. The plausibility of a Byzantine restoration is on par with that of a Mamluk restoration or the recreation of the Golden Horde - it just isn't going to happen, too much has happened since.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

Hey Leviathan I wanna add your events but I am 100% noob at doing that, can you help me? do I put the events as new .txts or do I add them anywhere else, and where do I put the picture to make it appear in the game?

Yeah you put the ones I posted as new events into a new file in the folder scenarios\VIPscen\events (call it GreeceVIP_thessaloniki.txt or something like that) and then add the name of this file to the scenario definition (or to your save file if your game is already in progress.) Open it in a text editor and search for the expression "event = ", this should find you a whole bunch of text that is just one event file name after another. I don't have Vic installed right now so I can't tell you where exactly it is or what it exactly looks like, but you ought to be able to find it if you look there.

Then you look at the events that I said would go into existing files, such as VIP_Russia.txt and so on. They are in the folder scenarios\VIPscen\events too. Add the red lines to modify them. You should then be all set!!