That is why I think that, in any case, the Orthodox church was more of an "ideological instrument" of the Empire and why I find this connection in the game weak compared with the strong political and ideological connection religion and state had in reality.
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That is why I think that, in any case, the Orthodox church was more of an "ideological instrument" of the Empire and why I find this connection in the game weak compared with the strong political and ideological connection religion and state had in reality.
I like this idea. It would certainly contribute to the game. However I would like to go one step futher to complicate and mess things - "being sole defender of the faith should give you a causus bellie on any nation that owns provinces of your faith that isn't of your faith and/or any country which holds provinces which originally (in the beginning of game) were of orthodox faith, even if they were converted later in the game".DukeWilleo1630 said:
How is that, complicated or what?
tretii_sleva said:I like this idea. It would certainly contribute to the game. However I would like to go one step futher to complicate and mess things - "being sole defender of the faith should give you a causus bellie on any nation that owns provinces of your faith that isn't of your faith and/or any country which holds provinces which originally (in the beginning of game) were of orthodox faith, even if they were converted later in the game".
How is that, complicated or what?
I'd do something like SDF gets a CB on any country of another faith that has a province with the SDF faith in it that either a. fails an attempt to convert a province of that faith or b. has a certain level of narrowmindedness(like 1-2 moves in).
That would allow Russia to attack the Ottomans whenever they attempt to convert in the balkans or go narrowminded, but wouldn't allow them to just keep attacking a country because they historically had one war. If they had an original province a human player could just never demand it and keep attacking whenever they felt like it.
I think it would also simulate quite nicely the reactions to religious upheaval in Germany, England, and France.
Peace after SDF wars could move the offenders narrowmindedness down if they lost.
Well the "independance" was never the goal of orthodoxy. It's quite a catholic, "latin" idea of a Church, accumulating the supreme secular power ower all christian world, with pope as the supreme lord and arbiter of all christian rulers (the dream of such popes like Gildenbrant and Innocent IV)das said:
Eastern Orthodox church never pretended on the secular power, because its main doctrine in relations with secular power was the conseption of "symphony", i.e. balance and cooperation between the Church and the State. According to this conception, the State should have all the secular power and don't mess ito the spiritual deels. And the Church shouldn't pretend on the secular power, that is the sole prerogative of the State.
The russian Church troubles of the 17-th century were not the pure effort of the Russian Church to gain a supreme powere over the secular deels. Patriarch Nikon was a talented statesman and he desired to be somebody like Richelieu: a frien and a chief advisor of the czar. And many of high nobles didn't want this. Nikon was a very unreserved and emotianal person, so the noble intrigue succeeded.
That certainly sounds quite interesting! But maybe - in your option a - it should rather be if there is actually an attempt to convert a province , not simply if the rival nation fails in its attempt.
Like this, one could actually try to prevent the conversion by getting into a war and conquering this province. And also there would be a real deterrent for enemies of your faith who will think twice before messing about with communities of your faith trying to convert them.
After all, if we only get the CB if the attempt fails, then we will be able to attack a country that has not succeded in weakening the global strength and influence of our faith, and yet we will be able to do nothing against a country that has actually managed to harm us by converting a comunity of people loyal to our faith to their religion.
Interesting. I tend to agree. I always thought that religious conversions in EU2 lacked "real life touch" like reaction of other countries to a conversion.TxJackalope said:
in eu3 timeframe russia didnt own any province with polish culture for a single day, while poland hold moscow for few yearsBandersnatch said:
Current polish culture provinces.
Smolensk, Baltic Coast etc were heavily influenced by Polish culture in EUIII timeframe and settled with Polish nobility. So I guess the author of the post refers to those territories.