Russia, Prussia and bit more balance

[Boris Medved]

So these are my ideas for how to make such strong historical nations as Prussia and Russia to become strong in-game, and few balance.

Russia:
Since 1.8 I started seeing less and less Russia in the game- usualy I see Muscovy expanding to Novgorod and neaby hordes and then being defeated by Commonwealth\Lithuania\Poland and slowly dying..
My Ideas:

• Add few basetax to Muscovy
• Remove few basetax from Golden Horde; make the hordes historical rivals (more historically correct)
• Remove basetax from Lithuania- If Poland forms Commonwealth they won't be defeated in any way but if a player joins the battle.
• Maybe some events or desicns that should help Muscovy\Russia (like cossacks who come to help for example).
• Maybe do Russia and Austria historical friends.

Prussia:
I saw Prussia only when I formed it and some 2-3 times formed by ai and being a small country and far not a superpower.
My Ideas:

• Poland will try to vassalise Teutons instead of eating them.
• Something like if Teutonic state religion changes from Catholic they should become Prussia so Prussia will be there even if Teutons are vassals of Poland (also historically)
• Brandenburg and Teutons will have events or desicns to unite into one country which will become historical rival with Poland\Commonwealth(so they will want liberty desire)
• Remove basetax from Lithuania so Commonwealth will be weaker and Prussia will have a chance to start expanding.

Just some balance:
Just some of my ideas to balance other parts of the world, because eu4 goes insane sometimes.
My Ideas:

• Ottomans are too strong- remove a bit basetax\make weaker ideas.
• Ming explodes- make the celestial empire have less negative effects.
• As you saw above- Lithuania is too strong which makes Poland\Commonwealth too OP- remove basetax from Lithuania or add authonomy\unrest in Belarussian and Ukrainian lands.
• I see Europeans having problems with conquering overseas, maybe should improve ai so they will bring armies first and then declare war, because usualy while Europeans bring their armies their overseas bases there are occupied.
• India is almost not controlled by Europeans by 1821, maybe should be more missions to conquer India- usualy ai conquer 1-3 provinces and stops.
• Austria never get Hungary, but allie them- maybe more events or missions to form Austro-Hungary? There is only one mission to get union over Hungary, but I never saw ai using it.

Hope Paradox will see it and use some of my ideas :3

 

[Freudia]

This game doesn't try to be balanced. Also Europe does not need any more help stomping overseas nations.

Prussia was also a fluke, there is no reason it should be guaranteed to form.

 

[Boris Medved]

This game doesn't try to be balanced. Also Europe does not need any more help stomping overseas nations.

Prussia was also a fluke, there is no reason it should be guaranteed to form.

I doubt this ideas will lead to total balance, but atleast will make the game be more historical and change the picture I see everytime I play somewhere far from Europe- Commonwealth eating Russia and half of HRE, Ottomans taking everything in Balkans and Hungary (technically historical peak but holding it forever) and other much weaker nations getting rekt by them.
My ideas doesn't guarantee Prussia to form (teutons can not convert to protestant, events&desicns shouldn't guarante 100% success, war for independence can fail etc...). I almost never saw Prussia, however historically it was a power, that's why atleast suggest it.
Commonwealth is way too overpowered in my games, and ai can't do anything againist it- which sometimes leads to me getting eaten when I play as small nations in europe or hordes and annoying overall. Same goes to Ottomans.
Even if we can 'skip' Prussia- Russia was very strong during this time, but I never see it strong enough to win war againist Livonian Order.
Europeans are often unable to conquer native Americans in my games because their armies are far away.
And colonisation is litterally just about coloniseable land when it comes to ai.
Divided China makes my game very easy when I play in this region..
I'm trying bring ideas which will make the game more historical, because now I only see chaos which simply repeat itself every game.

 

[Woifee]

) Poland & Lithuana need a nerf, I agree, they are ridiculous strong.
) Prussias success is very unlikly. That it happened in RL is a proof that unlikly stuff can happen.
) Austria-Hungary is far out of timeframe. What you mean is Habsburg getting controll over Austria and Hungary.

Don't know nothing about colonizing India, but I guess it took time and the british werent finished in the end of the timeframe.

 

[Dutchman251]

Well, in one of my games first TO ate Poland, then Brandenburg ate TO and formed Prussia. There is something to say that Prussia with 80k troops is OP

 

[Boris Medved]

) Poland & Lithuana need a nerf, I agree, they are ridiculous strong.
) Prussias success is very unlikly. That it happened in RL is a proof that unlikly stuff can happen.
) Austria-Hungary is far out of timeframe. What you mean is Habsburg getting controll over Austria and Hungary.

Don't know nothing about colonizing India, but I guess it took time and the british werent finished in the end of the timeframe.

Brittish finished atleast most of India by early 1800s, it would be something if atleast some 1/4 of it would be conquered by Europeans, now they don't seem to even try. they only get one mission to conquer the coast of India, but when they take atleast 1 province the mission ends and they have no desire to continue.
I didn't mean to make Austro-Hungary as a formable nation, it happened later- but Austria had "personal union" with Hungary since 1526.
I agree, but I just suggested few ideas how Prussia can be more likely to form, because I almost never see it. Even if Lithuania&Poland will be weaker Prussia will be much more likely to form, I would be glad if Prussia\Brandenburg atleast existed as a small power by the end of the game, instead of being eaten by Commonwealth.

Well, in one of my games first TO ate Poland, then Brandenburg ate TO and formed Prussia. There is something to say that Prussia with 80k troops is OP

The nearliest thing I saw was when TO ate northen Poalnd, but then Poland could take it back using Lithuania as allie.
Anyway, I think that you see OP Commonwealth with 300k way more often than this Prussia with 80k.

 

[JustMormegil]

As I know from history and wikipedia, there was an interesting situation with teuton (prussian) lands in the beggining of 17th century: formally teutons were a vassal under poland, but in the same time brandenburg got a personal union over them. Maybe this can be modeled in EU as special event:
- happens between 1575 - 1625
Conditions:
- Brandenburg still exists
- Branddenburg has 8 provinces or more
- Teutonic Order still exists (is free or subject nation of Lithuania or Poland)
- Teutonic Order has 6 provinces or less
Effects:
- Brandenburg gets PU over Teutonic Order
- if Teutonic Order was a subject nation, its overlord gets succession war CB.

Consider Brabdenburg is lucky nation, chances for Prussia been formed will be increased notably.

 

[Ilightmaster]

) Prussias success is very unlikly. That it happened in RL is a proof that unlikly stuff can happen.
) Austria-Hungary is far out of timeframe. What you mean is Habsburg getting controll over Austria and Hungary.

Don't know nothing about colonizing India, but I guess it took time and the british werent finished in the end of the timeframe.

What ?
)Wrong
)Wrong
)Wrong

- Brandenburg gets PU over Teutonic Order

What ?

 

[Boris Medved]

As I know from history and wikipedia, there was an interesting situation with teuton (prussian) lands in the beggining of 17th century: formally teutons were a vassal under poland, but in the same time brandenburg got a personal union over them. Maybe this can be modeled in EU as special event:
- happens between 1575 - 1625
Conditions:
- Brandenburg still exists
- Branddenburg has 8 provinces or more
- Teutonic Order still exists (is free or subject nation of Lithuania or Poland)
- Teutonic Order has 6 provinces or less
Effects:
- Brandenburg gets PU over Teutonic Order
- if Teutonic Order was a subject nation, its overlord gets succession war CB.

Consider Brabdenburg is lucky nation, chances for Prussia been formed will be increased notably.

I don't want to get into the desicn itself, I just offered few ideas which can make the game go more historically(at least if you use parts of them, if all my ideas will be in-game then I think will be chaos- I offered different possible ideas which might help).