Russia-in-Mongolia events broken

unmerged(4444) · Sep 26, 2004

Found one fatal error and several smaller problems with the Russia-in-Mongolia event chain:

1. Event 115001 should read
command = { type = trigger which = 115003 } #U25
but instead reads
command = { type = trigger which = 3 } #U25
thus 115003 never fires and the whole thing comes to a screeching halt, leaving Russia stuck behind the Mongols.

2. Several of these events include many fortress -2 commands. I assume this is intended to clear the area of ahistorical fortifications and allow quick and sure Russian conquest. If so it's insufficient; not only are three provinces omited from the list, but Mongolia by the time these events fire has level-3 forts in most of their provinces.

3. I could not get event 115008 to fire at all, event with all triggers removed.

4. This isn't really related to the events, but Buriat Horde (U25) has no flags or shields, and uses European-style soldier sprites and city graphics.

So: I've fixed #1 and #2 (assuming #2 isn't WAD... ?). Affected events are 115001, 115010, and 115003, all in AGCEEP_RussiaINMongolia.eue. My only changes were to change "3" to "115003" in 115001, to change all -2 fort commands to -3, and to add three missing provinces (590, 608, and 609) to the lists of fort-reduction commands.

Code:

event = {
   id = 115001
   random = no
   country = ASS
   name = "The Manchu alliance and the Buriat Defection"
   desc = "The Mongols and Manchus cooperated substantially in their fight against the Ming Empire, and their close relationship is shown by the incorporation of Mongol nobles and tribes into Manchu government and military ranks. After the unification of the Manchu tribes, the Mongols sought the aid of the Manchu in their long struggle against China.  In return for acknowledging the Manchu leader as the 'Great Khan', the Mongols of the steppe gained their alliance and were able to turn the tide against China.  The more northern Buriat Mongols did not accept this change, however, and they broke with their southern bretheren.  Lacking the power to oppose the Mongol-Manchu alliance on their own, they joined the Russian Empire in stead and crushed local resistance with the help of Russian forces."
   trigger = { 
      NOT = {domestic = {type = centralization value = 8 }}
      atwar = no  
      NOT = { countrysize = 25 }
      neighbour = RUS
      owned = { province = 628 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 634 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 635 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 636 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 637 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 640 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 643 data = MCH }
   }
   date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1582 }
   offset = 400
   deathdate = {  day = 25 month = april year = 1660 }
   action_a ={
      name = "Force the northern tribes to acknowledge Manchu overlordship"
      command = { type = fortress which = 590 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 591 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 592 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 593 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 594 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 595 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 596 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 597 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 598 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 599 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 600 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 601 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 602 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 603 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 604 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 605 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 606 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 607 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 608 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 609 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = breakvassal which = CHI } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115002 } #MCH
      command = { type = independence which = U25 } 
      command = { type = breakvassal which = U25 } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115003 } #U25
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115010 }
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115009 }
   }

   action_b = { 
      name = "Acknowledge Buriat tribes and stand alone against all foes"
      command = { type = breakvassal which = CHI } 
      command = { type = breakvassal which = MCH } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115007 } #MCH
      command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
      command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -200 } 
      command = { type = relation which = MCH value = -200 } 
      command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 590 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 591 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 592 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 593 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 594 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 595 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 596 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 597 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 598 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 599 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 600 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 601 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 602 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 603 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 604 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 605 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 606 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 607 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 608 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 609 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115010 }
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115009 }
   }
}

event = {
   id = 115010
   random = no
   country = ASS
   name = "The Manchu alliance and the Buriat Defection"
   desc = "The Mongols and Manchus cooperated substantially in their fight against the Ming Empire, and their close relationship is shown by the incorporation of Mongol nobles and tribes into Manchu government and military ranks. After the unification of the Manchu tribes, the Mongols sought the aid of the Manchu in their long struggle against China.  In return for acknowledging the Manchu leader as the 'Great Khan', the Mongols of the steppe gained their alliance and were able to turn the tide against China.  The more northern Buriat Mongols did not accept this change, however, and they broke with their southern bretheren.  Lacking the power to oppose the Mongol-Manchu alliance on their own, they joined the Russian Empire in stead and crushed local resistance with the help of Russian forces."
   trigger = { 
      domestic = {type = centralization value = 8 }
      atwar = no  
      NOT = { countrysize = 25 }
      neighbour = RUS
      owned = { province = 628 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 634 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 635 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 636 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 637 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 640 data = MCH }
      owned = { province = 643 data = MCH }
   }
   date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1582 }
   offset = 400
   deathdate = { day = 25 month = april year = 1660 }
   action_a = { 
      name = "Force the northern tribes to acknowledge Manchu overlordship"
      command = { type = breakvassal which = CHI } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115002 } #MCH
      command = { type = stability value = -2 } 
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 590 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 593 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 595 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 597 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 598 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 600 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 602 value = 7 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 604 value = 4 }
      command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 606 value = 4 }
      command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 590 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 591 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 592 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 593 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 594 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 595 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 596 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 597 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 598 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 599 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 600 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 601 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 602 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 603 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 604 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 605 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 606 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 607 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 608 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 609 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115005 }  #Russia
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115001 }
  }

   action_b = { 
      name = "Acknowledge Buriat tribes and stand alone against all foes"
      command = { type = breakvassal which = CHI } 
      command = { type = breakvassal which = MCH } 
      command = { type = trigger which = 115007 } #MCH
      command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
      command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -200 } 
      command = { type = relation which = MCH value = -200 } 
      command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 591 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 592 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 593 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 594 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 595 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 596 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 597 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 598 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 599 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 600 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 601 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 602 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 603 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 604 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 605 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 606 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 607 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 608 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 609 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115001 }
      command = { type = sleepevent which = 115009 }
   }
}

event = {
   id = 115003
   random = no
   country = U25
   name = "The Buriat tribes seek Russian support"
   desc = "When the southern and eastern Mongol tribes threw their lot in
 with the Manchu, then northern Buriyat Mongols broke with their southern
 bretheren.  Lacking the power to oppose the Mongol-Manchu alliance on
 their own, they joined the Russian Empire in stead.   All Buriat princes was
 taken in Russian military as officers, and Buriat cavalry crushed local
 resistance with the help of Russian forces."
   action_a ={
      name = "Join the Russian empire and crush the local opposition"
      command = { type = religion which = orthodox } 
      command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 400} 
      command = { type = land value = 5000 } 
      command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
      command = { type = infra value = 1000 }
      command = { type = relation which = ASS value = -200}
      command = { type = war which = ASS }
      command = { type = stability value = -1 }
      command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 4 }
      command = { type = capital which = 593 } 
      command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 600 } #Irkutsk
      command = { type = removecore which = 600 }
      command = { type = trigger which = 115005 } #RUS
      command = { type = manpower value = -20 }
      command = { type = INF which = 590 value = 4000 } 
      command = { type = CAV which = 590 value = 1000 } 
      command = { type = INF which = 593 value = 4000 } 
      command = { type = CAV which = 593 value = 1000 } 
      command = { type = INF which = 595 value = 4000 } 
      command = { type = CAV which = 595 value = 1000 } 
      command = { type = INF which = 597 value = 4000 } 
      command = { type = CAV which = 597 value = 1000 }
   }

   action_b ={
      name = "Stand alone against all threats"
      command = { type = stability value = -2 }
      command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100} 
      command = { type = relation which = ASS value = -200}
      command = { type = manpower value = -10 }
      command = { type = CAV which = 600 value = 10000 }
      command = { type = INF which = 600 value = 1500 } 
      command = { type = war which = ASS }
      command = { type = fortress which = 590 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 593 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 595 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 597 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 598 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 600 value = -3 } 
      command = { type = fortress which = 602 value = -3 } 
   }
}

Hope this helps,
Phil

EDIT: mayhap i should have posted this in the bug list thread? not sure of the procedure here... say the word and i'll delete this and repost it there.

unmerged(10128) · Sep 27, 2004

thanks for your help. will post this in either the bug thread or submissions thread if you havent done so already. the mongol probably are able to build more fortresses than before due to their enlargement. the fortress reductions are really put in at the momemt bcoz there are no links between mongols and China to stop the mongols doing these things.

maybe you could conveniently tell me which event is 115008 saves me time looking it up.

with the flags and shields i remember Bash had said something about the totem of the buriat tribe as being steppe wolf (here)

bash said:
In reality word "Buriat" has a strong Turkish core in it meaning "Buri" or "Furi" - i.e. "Wolf". Then it is a really interesting to find out that descentants of Steppe Buriats - or "hongodors" (with meaning "nine tribes") still naming "Steppe Wolf" as their totem - Wolf patriarch. Mongols namings of the same splitting tribe is "shono" or "chono" - meaning "wolf" as well. By the way "chono" was name of tribe where Ghenghis Khan recruitted his personal bodyguards in XIII century - then their opinion was really important for all-Mongolian Kuriltay in our "splitting moment". In other hand modern Buriat derived from "khory" tribes with their totem - "squirrel" or "chipmunk". Their opinion was completely irrelevant on all-Mongolian kuriltay - then "khory" wasn't asked to make any decision at all .

but that may not be useful because as he said the totem for the rest of the mongols is also steppe wolf. so maybe we should just introduce a flag that is the same as the current mongol flag just with different colours.

unmerged(4444) · Sep 27, 2004

Sun_Zi_36 said:
maybe you could conveniently tell me which event is 115008 saves me time looking it up.

Event 115008 is Russia inheriting Buriat Horde, in the same file.

unmerged(10128) · Sep 29, 2004

Code:

event = {
   id = 115008
   random = no
   country = RUS
   name = "Effect of Russian Occupation in Eastern Siberia"
   desc = "After Russia took control of Buriat and other Mongol lands in
 Eastern Siberia, major demograhphic changes took place. All Buriat princes
 were taken in Russian military as officers, and Buriat cavalry crushed local
 resistance with the help of Russian forces. Many Mongols fled south for fear
 of ethnic cleansing and others were rigorously assimulated."
   trigger = ( 
            vassal = { country = RUS country = U25 }
            alliance = { country = RUS country = U25 }
            relation = { country = U25 value = -100 }
            }
   date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1675 }
   offset = 200
   action_a ={
      name = "Most lands are Russified"
      command = { type = inherit which = U25 }
   }
}

this should be the event. if you've removed the trigger, only thing left is really the command to inherit U25. but this command does work. is that really how you tested it?

unmerged(4444) · Sep 29, 2004

D'oh!

That's the one, BUT on further testing it's worked fine for me... so cancel #3. Sorry, I spoke too soon. #'s 1 and 2 really were problems and really are fixed in the events i posted. Did you get them in the bug/submission threads or should i do it?
Phil

|AXiN| · Sep 30, 2004

Sun_Zi - For a Buriat flag, have a look at what I've done in the AGCEEP EGUFSM thread - tis similar but different to the mongol one, and has a distinctly mongol symbol on it - might be what you're after.

unmerged(10128) · Sep 30, 2004

Duke of Earl said:
That's the one, BUT on further testing it's worked fine for me... so cancel #3. Sorry, I spoke too soon. #'s 1 and 2 really were problems and really are fixed in the events i posted. Did you get them in the bug/submission threads or should i do it?
Phil

ok thats good. i've already posted the other bugs in the bugs thread post #61.

|AXiN| said:
Sun_Zi - For a Buriat flag, have a look at what I've done in the AGCEEP EGUFSM thread - tis similar but different to the mongol one, and has a distinctly mongol symbol on it - might be what you're after.

i looked at them. they're great. please submit them into the next version.

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