russia cant fight back at ALL!

[Eugenioso]

i have Aod 1.07 and Iron cross over it (iron cross is 1.02) and it seems like the entire game is messed up:

france attacks germany in 9 out of ten games that germany take over saarbruken



russia has ZERO and i do mean that, ZERO defense efficiency. i have a cheated USSR with all research done, its 1941 june and every single battle is a massive loss to me and nil casualties to germany. ive gotten all those soviet union gears for war with the corresponding GDE going up, and even then, about a week after germany attacked i got the GDE up by 0.7 but STILL my men get slaughtered.

so, what do i do then? do i uninstall Iron Cross and forget about playing it with AoD? do i use Darkest Hour instead?

please help me because right now its unplayable.

 

[Electric]

You have to wait "The Great patriotic war" event, then you wil have divisions very very cheap (1 div in 2 or 3 days). The event last a few weeks. I play also Aod with IC.

 

[Eugenioso]

um... did you read the post? what does great patriotic war event got to do with it?

 

[Eugenioso]

bump

please help me!

 

[Electric]

um... did you read the post? what does great patriotic war event got to do with it?

Hmm...yes.
well i don't have much time for details. pls type event 2657 and you will see that Great patriotic war event is the key for SOV.

Electric.

 

[Cliff60]

I tried a game as SU.They r totally useless. It took 24 divs just to beat 1 estonian div and i sufferd 80% casualties. Then the Allies and axis joined forces and attacked SU lol. I was defeated by 1936. Poland walked straight through my lines and destroyed my units. China and japan came at me from the east and south. I did manage to annex Finland though. But it took 200 divs to do it. I lost half of them due to finland breaking through and surrounding them. Su is just to weak even when i cheated to get the best unit upgrades. I had level VI inf and they got beaten easy by level 1 inf.

 

[DrakenPL]

that's why you wait until great patriotic war event...

 

[Klausewitz]

that's why you wait until great patriotic war event...

Great War or no, that is fucking ridicilous.
The Soviets were overrun due to strategic surprise and bad leadership, but surrounded units still managed to hold out for month.

 

[DrakenPL]

you can use valhalla and they will hold out for a month

which is realistic imo, you can't achieve "strategic suprise" in HoI in any way because it's a history game which you repeat, so devs had to simulate that by stat changes, which imo is best solution.

 

[warpedmind]

what you need to do as SOV to try to hold out until the great patriotic war event kicks in (which will set your GDE to 1.0 iirc) and then you can have a good war
important is to loose as less territory as possible !

 

[DrakenPL]

yeah just set scorched earth on all units, and retreat and give them reorg time penalty.

 

[DrakenPL]

ok I have no idea what's going on it's 3 months after barbra and I'm not gettin Great Patriotic war event, with GDE on 70% I can do virtually nothing stacks of 30 divs gets beatean by 1 corps in 1 day.

PS: I have instaled latest patch on old beta version that may be the case?

 

[RojoLulch]

It is so funny that this problem still persists^^

I came back here with hopes that there is eventually a convincing solution after over 1 year of "patching" the game. Also funny how this failure in design is still defended by some people.

Anyway on topic: I have no solution (in game) but I am still interested in one. So *bumb*

 

[Cliff60]

Im currently playing SU again. But this time its playing diff. Its 43. Germany has DOw poland as usual. But instead of going after Denmark and norway. They DOW Italy instead. Then they just sat back and did nothing. They have not attacked the allies at all or SU. They havnt even DOW benelux. All they have done is take poland then moved in and took out the Italian mainland then nothing for 3 years. I think what happened was Italy DOW Yugoslavia before they joined the Axis which caused Germany to DOW Italy. But Yugoslavia has been annexed and is now split between Romania and Hungry lol. Im still nor prepared for a German attack though. Ive built level 4 forts behind rivers from the baltic to the black sea. But i still dont have enough units to defend at full strentgh let alone go on the offensive. The main Prob with SU is dissent. Its so high that the units dont fight very well and constant revolts dont help. Even building a new div causes dissent. Its why they fight so bad till they get the patriotic war event. Cause dissent is so bad u have to put most of the IC into consumer goods to try and get it down. But that means u wont have enough IC for supplies, production, upgrades and reinforcments. So it takes a lot longer to build new div's. Plus ur units r only at 40% strentgh till u get gearing up for war. At that point it goes upto 80%. U wont get 100% till the winter war starts. Then it takes ages to get to full strengh cause u will need about 3,000 IC or more on reinforcments depending on how many units u have. Research is very slow as the tech teams have low skill levels. Most research u will only find a level 5 skill with if ur lucky 3 areas that match what u want to research. Even if u do manage to get better units through tech u wont have enough IC to upgrade them. So u will have to play the waiting game and hold out as long as u can in the hope u can hold back the germans long enough to get more and better troops deployed. Ive got a mix of level 1 to level 5 inf. Level 5 cause i built them after the tech was finished. I just dont have the IC to put on upgrades yet. Ive only got 10IC on production, 1IC on reinforcments. The rest is on supplies and consumer goods.

 

[unmerged(109233)]

It's like either the SU gets completely destroyed by 1943 or the same happens to germany. The fight in the eastern front never lasts until 1945. I don't get it. Why is the SU so strong in some games and gets totally owned in other games.

 

[unmerged(329498)]

Just ran into this problem myself. Very pathetic in my opinion. Totally removes SU as a playable country unless you want to waste 20 hours of Gameplay and HOPE you can recover from Barbarossa. HUGE FAIL on the part of Irshappa ID

 

[Conanteacher]

Strongly disagree. You just have to avoid battles, retreat from a line from Riga to Rostov or Leningrad to Stalingrad, and then counterattack. I was able to get Zhoukov in Berlin before 1943 some times.

 

[Cliff60]

Not sure whats going on now. i just abbandand my SU game after i lost every unit. For some reason no units will retreat player or AI. They will retreat for an hr then rally in the same prov they got defeated in and keep doing that till they either get destoryed or they recapture the prov. Ive also got the problem that any SU units that get defeated get destroyed. it doesnt matter if im attacking or defending. They just get destroyed if i lose a battle. Even units supporting an attack from adjacent provs get destroyd. Not sure but i think it might be the 1.3 beta patch causing the prob cause it only started doing that after i installed it. I got to 1947 but no great patriotic war triggering and su units still wont win a battle IE 12 IFV inf divs defending behind a river in level 10 land forts get beaten by 1 level 1 mil div lol. Something has got messed up somewhere. Now playing the USA. BUt for some reason the AI supply system wont work properly. I did an Amphib on belfast level 1 naval base after annexing Canada. Supplies were fine. But then i captured Antrim minor port. The AI stopped the supply convoy to belfast and sent it to antrim instead. It also reduced the convoy from 200 ships to 59. I massed 8 corps of 12 divs each to invade mainland UK but not enough supplies were getting sent. So i sent all but 1 corps back state side. So the supply AI decided to reduce the convoy down to 1 ship. I cant put the convoy on manual cause the game crashes as soon as i take it off AI control. tried 20 times same result. It just refuses to let me take control of the convoys. Another question i need an answer too. Is the digital download of IC compatable with the disk version of Arma? Gamersgate says yes. Gamestop says no. Its the reverse for HOI3 though Gamersgate says the digital expansions for HOI3 wont work with the disk version but gamestop says it fine lol. I cant ask steam cause they banned me simply cause i added a mod to a game which they say is illegal even though i got the mod from paradox lol. Steam needs to closed down. They r ripping ppl off Ive read loads of forums about steam trading illegally. U can only play games from them for 1 year before u have to pay full price again to renew the games license. Plus they block games and ban users just for not playing the games the way they want u too.. Even several game shops r now refusing to sell games that need steam to run. So why r game publishers using steam more and more now? If it was a UK company it would of been taken to court and closed down. But typical yank compy breaks the law and if legal action is taken against them The US govt threatens trade sanctions or in some cases even war over it. The US govt threatend to go to war with the UK when we banned Eharmony for illegal trading in the UK. So much for the US constitution where freedom and liberty is supposed to be garunteed.

 

[HunStrategos]

Gde

Actually I experimented quite a lot with the GDE when fighting my recent Barbarossa.
There is no battle with as low GDE as 0.7 or even 0.8, it is only massacre. (Can only win a battle with extensive air support.)

The GDE should have been altered by much smaller steps, it is a sensible parameter.

With GDE 0.88 the soviets actually have some defense value and the battles hold longer. They still suffer 10x - 20x losses then germans, but it
is more or less historical, and they can actually fight back.
With 0.93 the soviet lines are as hard as rock.
(The AI cheated as I see (I choosed it. ) and their troops, their armament and their doctrines are very much up to date.)

I think the optimal value is 0.89 for early Barbarossa and 0.9 or 0.91 for historical Barbarossa to give an advantage for early execution.
I have altered the Great Patriotic Events in my game to gradually increase Soviet GDE from 0.88 to 1 as time passes.

Actually the east campaign is quite fun and historical now for me, with great (but not automatic and some of them hard-earned) early victories. I look forward what would be the outcome of the campaign.

 

[DrBob]

HI all,

there are 2 issues being pointed out here. the first is GDE, the Sovs have events that slowly increase their GDE over time and max out with war with Ger. i think it starts at 0.4 and increase to 1.05. these events have been with the game since the start. I don't think they are needed for Iron Cross. i think the tech. tree, land doctrines, make a balanced game.

I agree with Lipcsey, that, "The GDE should have been altered by much smaller steps, it is a sensible parameter." and i have done this in my MOD. by the way, great analyst Lipcsey.

the second issue deals with retreating units and is a 1.03 beta addition. I think this is what is happening. retreating units get attacked again by the winning units at the beginning of each new day. I don't know why this was added but it needs to be removed.

what happens to me is that at 1 am each day i have a couple to new combats start. i then have to go into each battle and tell my retreating units to disengage the combat and retreat again. i had to do this for the total number of days that they are retreating, a lot of extra clicking to say the least. It ruins the game. i have also seen the ai vs. ai, just run over units and they disappear.

I have listed this in several other threads and i hope the DEVS are taking a good look at it and are going to remove it for 1.03beta 10.