Runemaster - Development Diary 4 - Personality Traits

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Fortunemaker: Provident - Extravagant
Wordsmith: Illusive - Honest
Silvertongue: Manipulative - Intimidating
Pathfinder: Cautious - Brave

The new categories are definitely better than the old ones. Is it too late to make adjustments, though?

For one thing, this might be my own ignorance, but "Provident" didn't conjure the right idea; I thought it'd be someone who provides. I don't think it's too commonly used a word. I think "Prudent" would be a much better word to oppose "Extravagant" (great word choice, btw). A prudent spender seems much more natural and easier to understand than a provident spender.

As for "Illusive", I think it'd be simpler and more direct to say "Deceitful", but I can understand why you might prefer that stylistically.

"Manipulative" I really dislike. It's too closely tied to Illusive. Although I can imagine situations in which you might manipulate others into doing as you say while telling the truth, they'd be somewhat contrived at best. Manipulation doesn't necessarily imply lying, but they do seem to go hand-in-hand. On the other hand, Intimidating doesn't have that issue; you can intimidate someone with a real threat or by bluffing.

I think the issue is that "manipulative" isn't the best counterpart to "intimidating". I think "Charming" would be a much better choice; both imply using words to influence another party, but Charming works a lot better with the categories in Wordsmith. (You can honestly praise them and befriend them, or you can only pretend to do so). The "friendliness" aspect of Charming also plays off better against the violence of Intimidating.

Other than that, it seems great. Thank you for being so responsive to the community. I really hope you'll consider these changes! The game looks awesome, can't wait to play it.
 

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That is awesome you guys actually listen to the community! Thanks so much, I like the new ones much better.
 

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The new categories are definitely better than the old ones. Is it too late to make adjustments, though?

For one thing, this might be my own ignorance, but "Provident" didn't conjure the right idea; I thought it'd be someone who provides. I don't think it's too commonly used a word. I think "Prudent" would be a much better word to oppose "Extravagant" (great word choice, btw). A prudent spender seems much more natural and easier to understand than a provident spender.

As for "Illusive", I think it'd be simpler and more direct to say "Deceitful", but I can understand why you might prefer that stylistically.

"Manipulative" I really dislike. It's too closely tied to Illusive. Although I can imagine situations in which you might manipulate others into doing as you say while telling the truth, they'd be somewhat contrived at best. Manipulation doesn't necessarily imply lying, but they do seem to go hand-in-hand. On the other hand, Intimidating doesn't have that issue; you can intimidate someone with a real threat or by bluffing.

I think the issue is that "manipulative" isn't the best counterpart to "intimidating". I think "Charming" would be a much better choice; both imply using words to influence another party, but Charming works a lot better with the categories in Wordsmith. (You can honestly praise them and befriend them, or you can only pretend to do so). The "friendliness" aspect of Charming also plays off better against the violence of Intimidating.

Other than that, it seems great. Thank you for being so responsive to the community. I really hope you'll consider these changes! The game looks awesome, can't wait to play it.

I'd guess they went with provident because prudent is often used as a synonym for cautious. I'd agree charming seems better than manipulative.
 
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